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Christopher Campbell wrote: On 5/11/05 9:40 AM, in article , "Paul kgyy" wrote: True to the rugged pioneer spirit of our great country, DC cowered for cover again as a Cessna violated the no-fly zone. Fighter jets were scrambled to deal with this imminent threat to the security of our nation. The pilots of those fighter jets, armed to the teeth, would be arrested the moment they flew a Cessna 150 into the same area. Apparently the latest technology in military armament is less dangerous than a Cessna 150. What does the government know about our little airplanes that we don't? We should form a committee to study the secret powers we are wielding! You're not supposed to point out facts like that. According to their logic A fully armed supersonic fighter crashing into a building won't have half the effect that a C152 will have.. Who's running the asylum ? |
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kontiki wrote:
Soon Washington DC will be like Berlin... barbed wires, tanks and outposts. You haven't been here recently, have you. It already looks like that. |
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Sport Pilot wrote:
Yes, it's silly for the gov't to scatter like hens when a Cessna approaches, but that's not the point. Not when its possible for a C150 to carry a small A bomb in a suitcase. A Geo Metro could carry a similar size bomb and could have gotten closer to the Capitol than the plane managed to do. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
AOPA or the like should help make examples of these pilots, in a big public way. "We won't tolerate ignorance among our own and suggest immediate revocation of their flying privileges". At first blush upon reading this I thought "How ridiculous!" However, the more I consider it, the more I think John is onto something here. If we, the pilot community, don't do something to make it apparent that these morons who keep busting the TFRs are NOT representative of the rest of us, nor do they reflect the predominant attitude of most pilots, nor do they reflect a general lack of intelligence shared by other pilots, I fear that the federal government is simply going to make the whole danged East Coast a no-fly zone. The ADIZ already encompasses an area with a population bigger than your entire state. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
AOPA or the like should help make examples of these pilots, in a big public way. "We won't tolerate ignorance among our own and suggest immediate revocation of their flying privileges". At first blush upon reading this I thought "How ridiculous!" However, the more I consider it, the more I think John is onto something here. If we, the pilot community, don't do something to make it apparent that these morons who keep busting the TFRs are NOT representative of the rest of us, nor do they reflect the predominant attitude of most pilots, nor do they reflect a general lack of intelligence shared by other pilots, I fear that the federal government is simply going to make the whole danged East Coast a no-fly zone. It is indeed unfortunate that the general, non-aviation public only receives its information from the likes of CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc. When was the last time any of you saw any mention of the hundreds or even thousands of pilots small, private airplanes in a responsible and safe manner. So today we have one person violate the D.C. no-fly zone. The American people MUST be made to understand that this one very, very tiny incident when taken in the context of many GA flights go unnoticed day in and day out. Arnold Sten |
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Peter Clark wrote:
On 11 May 2005 18:51:01 GMT, (Jay Masino) wrote: The latest report on WTOP (news station in DC) was that the aircraft WAS squawking the correct code, but that there was some sort of communications problem. I'm glad to see that everyone was so willing to jump on top of our brother pilots. The ADIZ procedures require immediate egress from the ADIZ upon lost comms through shortest-exit to the boundary. That restriction is only for lost TRANSPONDER capability. And of course it presumes that the pilot knows the transponder is out. It was added after the incident before Reagan's funeral. Issues with the ADIZ itself and problems created by pilots not following procedures therein have been not infrequent since it's inception. You can't blame the whole ADIZ piece of **** on pilots. It took badgering the FAA for over a year to get them to chart the blasted thing for example. The TRACON and the other political entities are still having ****ing matches over operations (or else the Kentucky governor fiasco wouldn't have happened either). |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:03:57 +0100, "S."
wrote: "Paul kgyy" wrote in message roups.com... True to the rugged pioneer spirit of our great country, DC cowered for cover again as a Cessna violated the no-fly zone. Fighter jets were scrambled to deal with this imminent threat to the security of our nation. Hi Folks, As always, intelligent (sometimes pithy !) observation from members of the aviation community in the above postings ; I agree with all of it. Newsreel footage of EVERYONE in D.C. scattering in all directions has just been shown on Channel 4 news (U.K.) ; it looked like a badly made disaster movie. A police officer shouted "GET OUT, NOW !" to the floor of the House. Unseemly and totally lacking in composure or dignity. If this is what an off-track Cessna can do the the worlds most technologically powerful and sophisticated nation, I have to ask "Have the terrorists already won ?". I would have to say that the answer to this question is a resounding YES! Between people living in fear in that area of a possible attack (mostly because of our wonderful news media), and all the restrictions that are placed on wrong people or wrong areas they have at least scored a huge victory in the battle if not the war. The ironic part is that while we are imposing all these rules on people who are here legally we still have people who want give "illegal aliens" driver's licenses and jobs!( I know another topic all together) I hope to go to San Diego, and work my way up to CPL in August, achieving the last of my life's ambitions at 48.It would be tragic if the authorities were to restrict the people who could take the controls of an aircraft, by way of "security measures". Idiots like this one today may curtail that, if they don't take the ease of access to flying, just a little bit less for granted. Something to remember though through all of this is that it was a "STUDENT" and instructor. The instructor maybe should have been paying a little more attention and take much better action and paid a little more attention but I know that there were many times my instructor sat silently waiting to see how long it would take for me to correct my mistakes. Of course I myself would have went out of my way to aviod the hassle of that area completely but the instructor may have wanted the student to get a lesson on dealing with the ADIZ since he would be flying in that area..to the instructor's credit the student just got a lesson that he will never forget if he gets to fly again!! |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 15:27:01 -0400, "W P Dixon"
wrote in :: WOW! One would have to be pretty stupid to fly over DC in todays world. Or disoriented above an undercast, or electrical failure, or ... I can understand the "No Fly Zone" policy, but I can't understand why all the cops in the area have to act like Soviet paratroopers are descending around Washington Monument. What better way for high school graduates to promote their self importance? [interesting military story snipped] I agree with the take their license away. How can you make that statement without all the facts? |
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"Sport Pilot" wrote:
Not when its possible for a C150 to carry a small A bomb in a suitcase. Apparently you do not understand nuclear weapons. 1) You can NOT put "A bomb" in a suitcase. 2) Considering the weight of such "suitcase" it would take 4 people to carry it. 3) You need explosives to compress the plutonium to approx 3 times normal density, not to mention the weight of the shielding you need, unless you want to be a martyr. 4) By skipping 3) the device would be enough radioactive to harm the one who is carrying it - they would be dead before they got to target! 5) Oh, by the way, by skipping 3) radiation sensors around various areas would go ape ****. In short, "A bomb" suitcase is nothing but paranoia (but that's already mentioned in thread, so i won't go into it again). |
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Paul kgyy wrote:
True to the rugged pioneer spirit of our great country, DC cowered for cover again as a Cessna violated the no-fly zone. Fighter jets were scrambled to deal with this imminent threat to the security of our nation. AOPA Phil Boyer was interviewed on CNN at 1745 EDT. He set the record straight by stating that a C150, carrying two adults and full fuel has little to no cargo capacity (polite way of saying no explosives). Boyer also did say that the two pilots flying the 150 made a stupid mistake and the security people in Washington acted in accord with proper plans. This interview was just after some undersecretary for Homeland Security stated to Wolf Blitzer that a "small aircraft of this size can carry 0ne or Two THOUSAND pounds of explosives". Talk about your typical uneducated Washington Bureaucrat! |
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