Finland - USA 2-0

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On 2 Nov 2003 12:11:47 -0800, (WaltBJ) wrote:

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on the
ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2 'Darwins' here -
driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our two counties here in
CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the same weekend. Dumbth
coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution. I
just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach stitching for
obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also, the current tool
for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about 100,000 a year,
excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined. That'll give you
something to think about as the anesthesia takes hold - 'wonder if
I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where I'll wake up?'

Walt

If I lived in europe I would have been dead thirteen years ago. Their
medical care system is pathetic compared to what it could be.


This is true. The Swedish medical system, for instance, is as pathetic
as the American one. And it doesn't have to be. It's just for
socialist ideological reasons we have it the way we do.

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote:

"Yama" wrote:

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: I see. Only twice the rate in the USA.
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:On a plus side, odds of getting gunned down are considerably smaller...

Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your odds
are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the bathtub than
they are of being 'gunned down'.

Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!


If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.

(Marcus Andersson) wrote in
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your
odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the
bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'.

Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!


If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.

In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.


Regards...

That being said, Finland does have around 60 F-18 Hornets, so I guess
they must have a couple of aircraft carriers too. I mean, why else
would they have carrier-planes?

Shhhh... (the black helicopters are on their way)

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On 2 Nov 2003 12:11:47 -0800, (WaltBJ)
wrote:

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on
the ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2
'Darwins' here - driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our
two counties here in CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the
same weekend. Dumbth coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution.
I just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach
stitching for obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also,
the current tool for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about
100,000 a year, excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined.
That'll give you something to think about as the anesthesia
takes hold - 'wonder if I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where
I'll wake up?'

Walt

If I lived in europe I would have been dead thirteen years ago.
Their medical care system is pathetic compared to what it could
be. It is no wonder that so many docs in the US are from the EU
or Canada.

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Al Minyard

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:

(Marcus Andersson) wrote in
. com:
Alan Minyard wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your
odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the
bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'.

Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!


If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.

In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult. For europe, everything is "blurred"

Al Minyard

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" bbolsoy@
nospam.nospam wrote:
Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Provided you're adequately insured, US healthcare is by all accounts
very good.

One great benefit of living in the UK is that I don't have to worry
about my insurers causing me harm to save money, or refusing to cover my
treatment.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:
In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult.

Dreadfully easy, Al. I match your pistol and raise you a section of
troops with scoped rifles and support weapons, and the firefight starts
at two hundred yards. I'll even let you fire first. (If it's wartime
then "fighting fair" is for the survivors on the losing side to console
themselves with)


The way to kill an alert armed man is to deceive rather than to
outshoot. Don't leap out, wild-eyed and frantic, shouting "Die, American
pig-dog-scum!"; but (for example) man a tidy, disciplined vehicle check
point and politely ask to see identification and travel documents (the
"Excuse Me, Meester?" ploy).

There's a _reason_ pistols are considered to be self-defence weapons of
last resort by most militaries, however entertaining they are to shoot
for sport and even to train with.

If you expected to fight, you should have brought a rifle: US helicopter
pilots in Desert Storm and Somalia fully grasped that concept (the USMC
have complained about a AH-1 modification, because they stored two M-16s
on the inner door of the ammunition bay in case they were forced down
and the modification precluded that... the Marines understood full well
that if you're being pursued by angry men with rifles, a rifle of your
own will at least slow the pursuit down in a way a pistol never can)

For europe, everything is "blurred"

Less so than you might think.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?



Regards...

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:

(Marcus Andersson) wrote in
. com:
Alan Minyard wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your
odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the
bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'.

Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!


If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.

In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult.
Al Minyard

What if the bloke who intends to shoot you is as qualified as you? Or
even more qualified?
You should know that the worst mistake one can do is to underestimate
ones enemy...