Kerry is a pilot?

According to this article, he flies N5PJ, a Cessna 421:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/c...2003_0601.html

Rich

"Toks Desalu" wrote in message news:PnSQb.149453$na.246236@attbi_s04...
I was watching MSNBC recently and learned that John Kerry, a democrat, is a
certified pilot, I saw a quick episode of him flying a plane in left seat.
There is no way to recognize what kind of plane, but it is definitely a low
wing. Just wanted to share what I saw.

Toks Desalu

Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:21 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:


Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple

Hearts.

And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

Are you saying there's no such thing as a Silver Star, or that Kerry never
got one? In both cases you'd be wrong.


Kerrey was put in for a silver star and awarded bronze.

According to CNN (and numerous other sources), Kerry has been awarded both
distinctions:
"It was in 1971 that Kerry, then 27, appeared before the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee to speak out against U.S. policy in Vietnam.

His stance drew attention both because of his military record -- he had
served as an officer in the Navy and had been awarded a Silver Star, Bronze
Star and three Purple hearts ..."
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/spe...tes/kerry.html

in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:59 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:21 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 5:18 PM:


"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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"Roger Long" om
writes:

Not only that, he used his father's connections to become President
and
avoid having to get a real job after being Governor of Texas.

Exactly. Without the connections Bush II would be a boozer mid-level
manager in some rinky-dink company in middle Texas.

Just another wild cat closer out of Midland.

Then again, where would Kerry be without catsup?

He'd still be a Forbes.

On Kerrey's $2 million, not likely.

But Mrs. Heinz has $500,000,000 and that lets Kerrey mortgage their
house
for $6.5 million and win Iowa.

Whoa, are you telling me that becoming President costs a lot of money?
Dude,
get the heck out of Dodge!

Mrs. Heinz wants to buy the Whitehouse.

I got news for you-- ALL the candidates want to do that, and whoever wins,
whether it's Bush, Kerry or someone else, will have done exactly that.

in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:59 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:21 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple
Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

Are you saying there's no such thing as a Silver Star, or that Kerry never
got one? In both cases you'd be wrong.

Kerrey was put in for a silver star and awarded bronze.

He was awarded both. This is easily verified.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:59 PM:
Whoa, are you telling me that becoming President costs a lot of money?
Dude,
get the heck out of Dodge!

Mrs. Heinz wants to buy the Whitehouse.

I got news for you-- ALL the candidates want to do that, and whoever wins,
whether it's Bush, Kerry or someone else, will have done exactly that.

Kerry is the only one with $6.5 million of his own money on the table.
(wife's money) The rest of the pack has enough doner support to avoid that.

"Peter" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...

in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:21 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
.. .

in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:


Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple

Hearts.

And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

Are you saying there's no such thing as a Silver Star, or that Kerry
never
got one? In both cases you'd be wrong.


Kerrey was put in for a silver star and awarded bronze.

According to CNN (and numerous other sources), Kerry has been awarded both
distinctions:
"It was in 1971 that Kerry, then 27, appeared before the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee to speak out against U.S. policy in Vietnam.

My mistake then.

Kerry sounds a lot like Davis.

You guys are giving both Kerry and W bad names...

"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
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You guys are giving both Kerry and W bad names...

That is what mud slinging does.

Did you think that trashing GW would go unchallenged?

Following is making the rounds on Internet.

Quote

On the campaign trail, White House wannabe Sen John Forbes Kerry
regularly mentions his Vietnam War combat experience, during which he
received three purple hearts, the Silver Star and Bronze Star. However
the Massachusetts Democrat doesn't like to talk much about how he
received the awards or the time after he returned home when he was
rubbing shoulders with Hanoi Jane Fonda as a much-celebrated organizer
for one of America's most radical pro-communist groups.

Kerry's betrayal of American prisoners of war, his blatant disrespect
for Vietnam veterans and the military, his support for communist
Vietnam and his waffling over the issue of use of force in Iraq proves
he cannot be relied on to protect the best interests of the United
States. Although Kerry voted to support military intervention in Iraq
he is now claiming that he only approved the threat of force by the
United States. The Constitution for the United States of America
states: "The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and
Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States
when called into the actual service of the United States; he may
require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of
the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of
their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves
and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of
impeachment". Read the following and decide for yourself if you trust
this man to be our Command-in-chief.

John Forbes Kerry was born, December 11, 1943, well connected in the
upper class due to his Forbes and Winthrop roots.

As a youth, Kerry is said to have idolized John F Kennedy, with whom
he and his family socialized. Kerry, often alluded to having the same
initials as President Kennedy,

Kerry graduated from Yale University in 1966.

Like JFK, who served in a WWII patrol boat, PT 109, Jerry took to the
water. He enlisted in the Navy and became an Officer.

After training, Kerry volunteered for VN. He served a relatively
uneventful six months, far removed from combat, from December 1967 to
June 1968, in the electrical department aboard the USS Gridley, a
guided-missle frigate that supported aircraft carriers in the Gulf of
Tonkin.

His ship returned to its Long Beach, CA, port on June 6, 1968. Five
months later, Kerry went back to VN, securing an assignment as "swift
boat" skipper.

Kerry commanded his first swift boat, No 44, from December 1968
through January 1969. He received no medals while serving on this
craft.

Kerry experienced his first intense combat action n Dec 2, 1968. He
was slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart.

In late January 1969, Kerry joined a five-man crew on swift boat No 94
completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all of them in the Mekong
Delta.

Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor
shrapnel would in his left thigh on Feb 20, 1969.

Kerry was given a Silver Star for an action on Feb 28, 1969: When
Kerry's Patrol Craft 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he
beached his craft in the center of the enemy positions and a enemy
soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and
fled. The boats machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing VC as he
darted behind a hootch. The twin 50's gunner also fired at the VC. He
said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the
boat and dashed in to administer a "coupe de grace" to the wounded VC.
Kerry returned with a B-40 round and launcher.

Kerry received a Silver Star at An Thoi Feb 28, 1969

On March 13 1969, a mine detonated near Kerry's boat, slightly
wounding Kerry in his right arm. He was awarded his third Purple
Heart.

After his third Purple Heart Kerry requested to be sent home. Navy
rules, he pointed out, allowed a thrice-wounded soldier to return to
the US immediately. His commander filled out a document March 17, 1969
that said Kerry had been thrice wounded in action while on active duty
in-country VN. Reassignment is requested.... as a personal aide in
Boston, NYC or Washington, DC.

Having engineered an early transfer out of the conflict because of
his three Purple Hearts, Kerry returned home to a sweet assignment as
an admiral's aide in April 1969.

In Oct 1969, Kerry began to associate with anti-war protester, Adam
Walinsky, a former speech writer for Robert Kennedy.

On Jan 3, 1970, Kerry requested that his superior grant him early
discharge from the Navy so he could run for Congress.

Kerry , a highly decorated veteran who seemed to be a clone of former
President JFK, right down to the military service on a patrol boat,
made a 1970 bid for Congress in Massachusetts' Third District.
Three-months later, when it became clear his opponent would get the
Democratic Party nomination Kerry dropped out.

Realizing that running for public office in Eastern Massachusetts as a
decorated VN veteran was not at that time politically correct, Kerry
moved hard left, seeking a leadership position in VN Veterans Against
the War (VVAW), a rabid pro-communisst veterans organization.

As a national leader of VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of
the US to contain the spread of Communism. He used the blood of
servicemen still in the field for his own political advancement by
claiming that their blood was shed unnecessarily or in vain. Under
Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of US soldiers by
wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro communist graffiti. He
dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the
VC.

Kerry organized one of the most confrontational protests of the entire
VN War called Dewey Canyon III. It began April 18, 1971, with nearly
1000 VN vets gathered in the Washington, DC mall for what they called
"a limited incursion into the country of Congress".

On April 23,1971, Kerry led members of VVAW in a protest during which
they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the US
Capital.

At a jammed Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on April 23,
1971, Kerry took his case to Congress. With television cameras lining
the walls and Kerry dressed in his green fatigues decorated with his
Silver star ribbons, he gave testimony that defined him and made
possible his political career. In a style reminiscent of JFK, Kerry
asked, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in VN -- How do
you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

Much of Kerry's speech before Congress painted his fellow GI's as so
brutal that, today, they could easily be mistaken for Saddam Hussein's
Fedayeen killers. He told Congress that US soldiers had "personally
raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable
telephones to human genitals and turned the power up, cut off limbs,
blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot
cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generaly ravaged the
countryside of South VN.

By the following day, April 24, the publicity from the 22nd and 23rd
helped draw at least 250,000 people to the Mall in a massive protest.
Kerry, wearing his combat jacket addressed the rally from the Capital
steps. In less than a week, Kerry was transformed from little-known
former swift boat skipper to a national icon for a movement that
advocated against US involvement in VN and for the communist
Vietnamese.

Several weeks latter, Kerry was featured on 60 minutes. Correspondent
Morley Safer, in the segment, portrayed Kerry as an eloquent man who
has a "Kennedyesque" future. "Do you want to be president of the
United States?" Safer ask Kerry.

Vice President Agnew said that Kerry, who drew rave notices in the
media for his eloquent testimony before Congress, was using material
ghosted for him by a former Kennedy speech writer (Adam Walinsky).

During Memorial Day weekend, he joined a throng of antiwar protesters
on the green in Lexington, Mass., where he and hundreds of others were
arrested.

Kerry ran for election to the US House in 1972 during which he found
it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover of his own book,
The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted
several unkempt youths crudely handling an American Flag to mock the
famous photo of the US Marines at Iwo Jima.

He graduated from Boston College Law School in 1976, then worked as an
Assistant District Attorney in Middlesex county

He was elected Lt Governor in 1982.

Elected Junior US Senate in 1984 with the help of Ted Kennedy..

Am advise there is more to come.............................We'll see.

Big John


On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:44:31 GMT, "Toks Desalu"
wrote:

I was watching MSNBC recently and learned that John Kerry, a democrat, is a
certified pilot, I saw a quick episode of him flying a plane in left seat.
There is no way to recognize what kind of plane, but it is definitely a low
wing. Just wanted to share what I saw.

Toks Desalu

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
"Roger Long" om
writes:

Not only that, he used his father's connections to become President
and
avoid having to get a real job after being Governor of Texas.

Exactly. Without the connections Bush II would be a boozer mid-level
manager in some rinky-dink company in middle Texas.

Just another wild cat closer out of Midland.

Then again, where would Kerry be without catsup?

And where would Teddy Kennedy, or the rest of the clan, be without his dad's
mafia connections?