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"Cub Driver" wrote in message ... I wasn't thinking the anger of the French people would be directed at the UK. Why ever not, it has been for the last thousand years or so. I've been watching the CBS Video History of WWII. Last night was Torch, the invasion of North Africa. The U.S. troops landed first because the Allies believed that the French would be less likely to fire on them than the British, because of the "hatred" (Walter Cronkite's word) they bore for the Brits. To be sure, the lower the rank, the less this attitude prevailed. And in the end, when the Allies moved east to Tunisia, French colonial forces joined them. To be fair some French colonial forces joined the British fighting the Germans and Italians long before Torch. General LeClerc and his Free French Troops never stopped fighting the Boche and the Vichy regime, having seized control of Cameroon and Chad he and his men made an epic journey through Chad and Southern Libya to join up with the 8th Army in 1941 Keith |
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"Iain Rae" wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: (Snip) That's not that surprising since the French had been under RN guns about two years previously[*] and relations between the UK and the Vichy government were never good with the French harrassing Gibraltar airspace ... I don't recall hearing or reading anything about the French harassing Gibraltar airspace. How did they manage that? Out of Algeria or Morocco? What was the Spanish reaction to such incursions? Did the RAF have a presence in Gibraltar at the time? George Z. |
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"L'acrobat" wrote in message
... If you like fine cheese, try tracking down a King Island Double Brie. The perfect food. Especially if you have to pill the dog. Just a cut thin slice when it is not quite room temperature, wrap the pill in it, and down it goes with nary a protest. My dog is spoiled rotten. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... That could be associated with the English invading France; you know that whole burning a girl at the stake thing. Well as the burning was actually done by a French bishop's court it's possible the story may well be exagerated somewhat. Besides, as most serious countries have noticed in the past few centuries, invading France is fun. They can't fight, the food and drink are wonderful and the women very welcoming. The French government in recent years has even taken to sponsering re-enactments of various invasions, and very nice the two I went on were... There's something deeply satisfying about hanging around the village of Crecy dressed as an English archer... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three |
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"William Black" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... That could be associated with the English invading France; you know that whole burning a girl at the stake thing. Well as the burning was actually done by a French bishop's court it's possible the story may well be exagerated somewhat. That all depends on which of the many versions one hears. Besides, as most serious countries have noticed in the past few centuries, invading France is fun. They can't fight, the food and drink are wonderful and the women very welcoming. Not exactly rapeing and pillaging then. The French government in recent years has even taken to sponsering re-enactments of various invasions, and very nice the two I went on were... There's something deeply satisfying about hanging around the village of Crecy dressed as an English archer... My family were once archers. |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message ... Berlin for its part would be willing to send German troops to Iraq should the US properly cede military and political control of that nation over to the UN. Not gonna happen, not even in your wildest Wagnerian dreams, Actually, Schroeder's latest offer is for troops but no money! Schroder's current offer is to kiss GW's ass and beg forgivnance. To be sure, the troops would be used for training Iraqi police and military, not for active use. Works for me. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:48:52 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
wrote: To be fair some French colonial forces joined the British fighting the Germans and Italians long before Torch. General LeClerc and his Free French Troops never stopped fighting the Boche and the Vichy regime, having seized control of Cameroon and Chad he and his men made an epic journey through Chad and Southern Libya to join up with the 8th Army in 1941 Indeed, and that was just the first chapter of Leclerc's epic. I had the distinct pleasure of residing in Strasbourg for two years when I was, ahem, younger, where I learned this story (one of the major streets of the old town is named "Rue De La Division Leclerc"). On 1 March 1941, Leclerc vowed that he would not put down his weapons until the colors which he had just raised over Koufra (in southeast Libya) float over the cathedral of Strasbourg.* Leclerc went on to lead the Allies into Paris in August 1944. In December 1944, Leclerc's second armored division fulfilled his oath at Koufra, liberating Strasbourg.** *Jurez de ne déposer les armes que lorsque nos couleurs, nos belles couleurs flotterons sur la cathédrale de Strasbourg ! I still have a photo of that cathedral in my office. **with a bit of help from the US Army. Whatever one thinks about the current state of Franco-American relations, historically, we have tended to do our best work when both nations were on the same side. Regards, George ************************************************** ******************** Dr. George O. Bizzigotti Telephone: (703) 610-2115 Mitretek Systems, Inc. Fax: (703) 610-1558 3150 Fairview Park Drive South E-Mail: Falls Church, Virginia, 22042-4519 ************************************************** ******************** -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... "Iain Rae" wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: (Snip) That's not that surprising since the French had been under RN guns about two years previously[*] and relations between the UK and the Vichy government were never good with the French harrassing Gibraltar airspace .... I don't recall hearing or reading anything about the French harassing Gibraltar airspace. How did they manage that? Out of Algeria or Morocco? What was the Spanish reaction to such incursions? Did the RAF have a presence in Gibraltar at the time? The Vichy French bombed Gibraltar. 4 July 1940 near Gibraltar 3 French Hawks attacked a Sunderland of coastal command. 1 Hawk downed, 1 damaged. In the first air combat of the IIWW between Britain and France, victory to the porcupine. After the British action against the french fleet Gibraltar was bombed in retaliation. The most serious raids were however mounted during the Battle of Britain. 24th September 1940 - 64 aircraft from Oran and Tafaroui in Algeria, and Merknes, Mediouna and Kenitra in Morocco. Fighters were also deployed. D520s of GCII/3 from Mediouna, Hawks from GCII/5 from Casablanca, and GC I/5 from Rabat. 41 tonnes of bombs dropped and no loss. The following day 83 bombers deployed, no fighter cover, again no fighter response. 56 tonnes of bombs dropped. 1 LeO 451 shot down by flak. It was the largest bomber raid mounted by the French since the war began. Probably the largest mounted by the French during the entire war. Peter |
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I continued to watch the below-mentioned video last night. It's a curious production, and Torch was immediately followed by Overlord, on the idea that both were big invasions, I guess. In any event, I thought of this newsgroup when I saw the clip of American PWs being protected by German soldiers as French civilians tried to punch, kick, and spit on them (that is: punch, kick, and spit on the Americans, not their German guards). Good job you weren't shot down one any of your visits to France, Art! On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:10:58 -0400, Cub Driver wrote: I wasn't thinking the anger of the French people would be directed at the UK. Why ever not, it has been for the last thousand years or so. I've been watching the CBS Video History of WWII. Last night was Torch, the invasion of North Africa. The U.S. troops landed first because the Allies believed that the French would be less likely to fire on them than the British, because of the "hatred" (Walter Cronkite's word) they bore for the Brits. To be sure, the lower the rank, the less this attitude prevailed. And in the end, when the Allies moved east to Tunisia, French colonial forces joined them. all the best -- Dan Ford email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9 see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com all the best -- Dan Ford email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9 see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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