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Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote: No flap landings should be handled by instructors as simply another procedure to be learned. There's nothing earth shattering about a no flap landing, BUT and this is a BIG BUT HERE......there are aspects of a no flap landing that are very different from a landing using "flaps as required", so all CFI's should demonstrate no flap landings and go over the aspects of no flap landings with every student. I don't treat this situation as an emergency; simply something the student must be completely familiar with before solo. I was in the pattern at night with a student in a C172 at RHV and we had a total electrical failure. No lights, no flaps, ... I had him hold a flashlight at the ASI and call out airspeeds, I then did a glassy water landing - worked perfectly! Hilton I can't resist this so forgive me :-)) ......and all this after staying at a Hilton and not a Holiday Inn Express last night? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))) -- Dudley Henriques |
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B A R R Y wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:00:44 -0600, Michael Ash wrote: Isn't there somewhat vague a section on emergency procedures which would allow the examiner to say, "your flaps have failed, now go land"? My examiner called the no flap landing an emergency procedure. That is amazing. The only emergency associated with flaps is asymmetric deployment! :-) Matt |
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
Blueskies wrote: "B A R R Y" wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:00:44 -0600, Michael Ash wrote: Isn't there somewhat vague a section on emergency procedures which would allow the examiner to say, "your flaps have failed, now go land"? My examiner called the no flap landing an emergency procedure. Exactly! Then every landing made in a Piper Cub, Colt, or a Decathlon is an emergency? :-)) Yes, especially when on one of those dangerous grass strips! :-) Matt |
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:51:57 -0800 (PST), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote: I've often met pilots who use no flaps on landing in very gusty conditions or stiff crosswinds. I've tried this and don't really see the benifits. Like a lot of things it's probably mostly in the head. I think the higher touchdown speeds invovlved and the resultant float only prolong the agony. Flying a short-bodied Mooney, I would agree 100% with that comment. I use full flaps for most landings. If the crosswinds or gusts are such that I could not use the chosen runway, I have an alternate plan in mind. The higher touchdown speed, and longer runway required landing with 0 flaps versus 1/2 flaps versus full flaps is significant in my airplane, but does not and should not present any kind of control issue. I've used 0 flaps once out of necessity (landing with an iced up airplane after getting into unforecast icing conditions); and I use 1/2 flaps landing out of a CATII approach to minimums. Otherwise its full flaps. --ron |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: I can't resist this so forgive me :-)) .....and all this after staying at a Hilton and not a Holiday Inn Express last night? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))) Tacky, really tacky lol -- |
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"Hilton" wrote:
I was in the pattern at night with a student in a C172 at RHV and we had a total electrical failure. No lights, no flaps, ... I had him hold a flashlight at the ASI and call out airspeeds, I then did a glassy water landing - worked perfectly! I'm confused -- if he was your student, why did you do the landing? Seems like a perfect opportunity for a "learning experience". |
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Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote: No flap landings should be handled by instructors as simply another procedure to be learned. There's nothing earth shattering about a no flap landing, BUT and this is a BIG BUT HERE......there are aspects of a no flap landing that are very different from a landing using "flaps as required", so all CFI's should demonstrate no flap landings and go over the aspects of no flap landings with every student. I don't treat this situation as an emergency; simply something the student must be completely familiar with before solo. I was in the pattern at night with a student in a C172 at RHV and we had a total electrical failure. No lights, no flaps, ... I had him hold a flashlight at the ASI and call out airspeeds, I then did a glassy water landing - worked perfectly! I had a complete electrical failure in a C177RG at night on the way from Duluth to Minneapolis back in 2003. Not wanting to fly into either the Class B or the Mode C veil without radio contact, I elected to put down at an uncontrolled field north of the Cities. A buddy was flying a 182 on the same trip a mile or so ahead of me, so I got him on my handheld and told him the plan. He went in ahead of me, assuring the pilot-controlled runway lights got turned on and handling any radio comms that might be needed if any other traffic showed up, while I circled to make sure I got the gear down. Took a bit of pumping to get it locked - it was reassuring that the tiny amount of remaining power was enough to get a green light when it locked. So then it was just a matter of landing NORDO, no lights, no flaps, in the dark. What fun! I was sure glad I had practiced all of those, albeit not all at once. My buddy was waiting on the ramp and said the only thing he saw as I came in was the runway edge lights blinking out as I rolled past them. |
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Rich Ahrens wrote:
So then it was just a matter of landing NORDO, no lights, no flaps, in the dark. Man, you think it's tough landing with no lights in the dark, you should try it during the day sometime. With the sun in your eyes, you can't even tell if the lights are on or not. |
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John Godwin wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in : I can't resist this so forgive me :-)) .....and all this after staying at a Hilton and not a Holiday Inn Express last night? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))) Tacky, really tacky lol My wife's right! She's afraid to have me sit down with normal un-punaholic people. :-)) -- Dudley Henriques |
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