Bend over, folks...

On Jun 18, 6:56 pm, scud wrote:
Previously, your automobile was considered an extension of your home.

Not so anymore. They want to know what's hidden in the trunk. Yes,
you can thank the drug war for that. If you refuse, and you're ticking
them off like claiming constitutional rights and stuff, they will
arrest you for refusing to obey the lawful command of a police officer
and impound your car to search it for evidence. It's against the law
to refuse.

If you're lucky, wealthy, or your car is worth a lot, assuming they
find no incriminating evidence, they won't hold your car to search for
evidence so long that the towing and storage charges, which are allowed
for some reason to be as high as the payday loan business ($150 tow,
$50/75 a day storage), won't add up so much that the car isn't worth
bailing out. This is done to poor people all the time and they laugh
about it down at the cop shop because they figure nobody who looks or
lives like a lowlife (in their opinion, even though poverty is not a
crime) is without guilt, so they'll get you this way instead of
another.

The authorities are supposed to pay storage when the car is held for
evidence, but you have to sue them to get them to do it if they say
they're not paying and most people simply can't afford the lawsuit and
no lawyer takes these on spec.

This is why we have punitive damages.

Lessons? Be wealthy, have a good
lawyer, and open your trunk when asked.

Don't let your legislators abolish or limit punitive damages.

That's the lesson.

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FF

"Rich S." wrote in message
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I won't bother to recant or reference all of the incidents of mass murder
that have occurred within the U.S. in the past few years - many of them
targeted towards locations where the victims were unarmed due to ordinance
or custom. If you are unaware of these it is obvious who doesn't have a
clue.

Childish outbursts of personal insults are a *real* sign of maturity. It's
bedtime now. Turn off daddy's computer and brush your teeth. Night night.

Rich S.


I'm aware of them, oddly with all the heroes packing guns just waiting for a
chance to off some lunatic none of them have ever been stopped beforehand.
Indeed the "gun as solution" attitude probably creates many of the
situations instead of defending against them. I've been familiar with two
gentlemen over the years who were in a supposed "constant state of
readiness" one was shot with the gun he pulled out to defend himself, he
lived but didn't get any smarter. The other died from smoking, guess he
targeted the wrong enemy.

("Fargo" wrote)
Indeed the "gun as solution" attitude probably creates many of the
situations instead of defending against them.


If you are speaking to the conceal and carry laws, you've reached a
conclusion based on emotion, not fact.


Paul-Mont

No emotion involved at all. I didn't actually consider how a gun was
conveyed to an event, simply the attitude that it's presence seems to bring
out. It's not about killing, it's about power. I've had years to observe the
behaviour of people with guns. Not impressed. In the case of a responsible
(if needlessly fearful) owner carrying a gun fully concealed, why would I
ever know about it? OTOH, you'de be amazed how quickly they get pulled out,
and the stupidity of the reasons.
I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self defence than any
other source.


"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Fargo" wrote)
Indeed the "gun as solution" attitude probably creates many of the
situations instead of defending against them.


If you are speaking to the conceal and carry laws, you've reached a
conclusion based on emotion, not fact.


Paul-Mont

I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self defence than any
other source.

I guess that brings us pretty squarely back to the original subject of this
thread.

Fargo wrote:
No emotion involved at all. I didn't actually consider how a gun was
conveyed to an event, simply the attitude that it's presence seems to
bring out. It's not about killing, it's about power. I've had years
to observe the behaviour of people with guns. Not impressed. In the
case of a responsible (if needlessly fearful) owner carrying a gun
fully concealed, why would I ever know about it? OTOH, you'de be
amazed how quickly they get pulled out, and the stupidity of the
reasons. I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self
defence than any other source.



I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it is
there?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Fargo wrote:
No emotion involved at all. I didn't actually consider how a gun was
conveyed to an event, simply the attitude that it's presence seems to
bring out. It's not about killing, it's about power. I've had years
to observe the behaviour of people with guns. Not impressed. In the
case of a responsible (if needlessly fearful) owner carrying a gun
fully concealed, why would I ever know about it? OTOH, you'de be
amazed how quickly they get pulled out, and the stupidity of the
reasons. I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self
defence than any other source.



I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it is
there?


His ISP address is in Kenya. Weapons may be a badge of authority there.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it is
there?

Why do you have to ask. They are normal people, until they decide they want
their own way very badly, or they are frightened, or upset, or desperate.
You probably knew that. They are in the news all the time.

Fargo wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...


I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it
is there?

Why do you have to ask. They are normal people, until they decide
they want their own way very badly, or they are frightened, or upset,
or desperate. You probably knew that. They are in the news all the
time.

I asked because I didn't know you were from Kenya. I missed that and the way
OutlookExpress shows your name just says Fargo not your e-mail address with
the country domain.

It's a States Rights issue. Different States have different laws.


Forth ammendment of the US Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

I don't know about the Feds and their Patriot Act, but state and municiple
authorities cannot search your vehicle without probably cause. Agreed,
probable cause can be a slippery slope, but they do not have the right to
search every vehicle at their own will.