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Do you know what "semiactive" is/means?
I guess so. Command guidance? I'll bet a HARM would just LOVE that. Sure,but you will need a HARM with at least 150+ miles range to start with. An active radar seeker on a AAM likely wouldn't work very well against stealh. You'd be better off with an IIR seeker. If you can come close enough to stealth (or stealth comes close enough to you )everything works. If you want to increase your chances you might even upgrade SAMs with multi spectral seekers. A high frequency radar against a stealth aircraft? But of course,during terminal phase everything works.We are talking about very close ranges. |
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I like that. The F-22 will be the T-rex of fighters.
Agreed ,It will be highly regarded as a valuable object in every museum. |
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We'd be taking those babies out with JASSM and Tomahawks before *any*
aircraft got near. That's if someone Interesting,but didn't I say "US multistatic system is also very effective next generation of stealthy cruise misilles that use terrain masking in addiditon to passive stealth". JASSM or JASSM counterparts will be shot down long before they reach their targets. That's if someone were to actually deploy such a system of course. And if it actually worked. Besides, to use your Multistatics are not new,in applications that the money is no problem,like defense in national level,US used them for years,for example the space based multistatic system for the defense of of CONUS,but problem was the theater level applications where a similar system need to be realized much cheaper.So it had to wait for some innovations. 50 mile SAM you'd have to bring your command link online and that's when the HARM would pop him. It could be 10 miles away, it doesn't matter. Forget HARM type weapons,current ones have not enough range to keep HARM trucks outside lethal range of SAMs and next generation long range HARMs themselves will become targets. If were an attacker I would try to disturb the command link. You're talking *maybe* a couple miles. An IIR would see it further than that. No way, NO way will an active radar seeker in an AAM pick up a stealth aircraft from fifteen or twenty miles. They don't even do that for NON-stealth aircraft. Yes I am talking about a couple of miles and its more than enough as terminalguidance as we all learned in Balkans. There is laser beam-riding, but not on a 150 mile range missile. Optical guidance for SAMS means optics on the ground and the missile is command guided. They don't have cameras in the nose of Who needs 150+ miles guidance radar,IR,laser or whatever. Multistatics easily track every existing stealth aircraft at 600 miles. (B2 has an excellent monostatic RCS value,but its "bistatic" RCS value is bigger than B52 frontal monostatic RCS !) As I said before as you come closer to stealth target you will receive backscatter returns and if you need only a couple of miles range the band you use wont make much difference.so better use whatever you have. |
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In article , Scott Ferrin
wrote: On 23 May 2004 04:49:00 GMT, (Denyav) wrote: That's the joy of F-22 (and -23)--the interceptor dies long before he/she ever gets within a range that would allow their radar to detect the small RCS. You simply cruise along, passively detecting the enemy and plinking them at your leisure. No sweating, grunting, groaning, Is F22 (jurassicfighter) is a Bomber? I like that. The F-22 will be the T-rex of fighters Thank you, Sir. I now can't cleanse my mind of the image of a C-5 as a brontosaurus and an AC-130 as a triceratops. |
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Well then it's just like I said. Exactly who with what system is
going to be a threat to US stealth aircraft anytime in the near future? Besides that, having an airborne TRANSMITTER is just begging to be shot down. Not countries like Iraq,Afghanistan,Panama,Somalia,I guess. Having one airborne ,space or ground based transmitter is one thing having thousands of them another. What are you smoking? You seem pretty clueless,a clue for you this is a space and ground based system We're talking about stealth aircraft here. Say you somehow detect a stealth aircraft at 600 miles and you have a SAM that can hit a target at 150 miles. 1. You're going to have to hide those big-ass missiles somewhere they can't be destroyed. Good luck. You know where they but you can not kill them easily,as I said HARM is too short legged,cruise misilles and other long range weapons have only little penetration chance. Active guidance with a MMVR will never work so forget it. You obviously don't know how the two work. 3. High frequency radar of ANY type doesn't work against stealth unless If you can bring your fathers backscatterers close enough to ANY stealth platform they will detect it.period. Some will detect it at 0,6 m some others at 10 m but they will detect lt. And I'd trade them all day. A next generation HARM against a next generation S-400+? That's like saying "I'm going to defeat all of your Maverick missiles by putting tanks in front of my bunkers" If you think next generation HARM will be cheaper than next generation SAM,you are simply wrong. (BTW I think there wont be any next generation SAM) Yeah. I'd disturb it with a HARM. Good Luck then,you will need it ou obviously don't have a clue what happened there. Why don't you tell how you *think* it happened. My guess is you've got some things confused. I think I know what happened,if stealth fleet continued to fly like stealth aircraft supposed to fly ,US would probably lose whole stealth fleet in Balkans. Two back to back hits were enough change tactics and make them to fly like F14s,15s,16s ,Mirages,Tornados. After changes,their vulnerability reduced to the F14,15,16,Mirage,Tornado levels. But flip side,that was starting point of Jammer Crisis. rWell you want to hit the thing don't you? You want to hit the aircraft before it can hit you back don't you? Doesn't do you much good if your SAM only flies twenty miles but the airplane can hit you from a hundred. Sure,In order to take advantage multistatic tracking and detection systems long range SAMs are a must. Shorter range SAMs might be used aganist next generation stealthy long range HARMs or cruise misilles though. The more likely it is to hit you. I dont thing that any aircraft ,stealthy or not,would like idea of hitting a missile !.If you wanted to come up with an anti stealth system a good way to do it would be to have a MSVR that actually WORKS. Proven, in service, non vaporware and you have more than one. You use that to collect your x,y,z positions of stealth aircraft. Using cellular, radio, or freakin' internet, communicate those positions to *mobile* LPI transmitters that talk to your SAMS. For missiles use something like an ESSM with an AIM-9X seeker that can do LOAL. Stick two or four of them per truck-mounted launcher. The idea being to have the two or four missiles and a truck be CHEAP. I don't mean stick them on a forty year old rust bucket rescued from the scrap heap but then again I'm not talking about one of those big eight-wheeled vehicles either. So you deploy you launchers God only knows where but make sure you have adequate coverage. They pull up to their site and hook up to the internet. All the truck gets is "launch missile, tell it to go to x,y,z". After that the nearest LPI transmitter takes over and the missile launcher is back on the road. It updates the now in-flight missile intermittently and stays off the air the majority of the time LPI or not. As the missile gets closer to the target it gets more frequent updates. Once the IIR seeker has locked on to it's target the LPI transmitter forgets about it. Numerous missiles on cheap trucks, hard to detect transmitters, and a distributed comm network. All spread out, realtively cheap, with no one unit worth a Tomahawk and mobile to boot. The only vurnerable spot would be the decision maker which would likely be the first thing hit. Actualy GPS is an excellent multistatic radar emitter,specially for the space based receivers. |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 15:44:38 -0600, Scott Ferrin wrote:
On 23 May 2004 04:49:00 GMT, (Denyav) wrote: That's the joy of F-22 (and -23)--the interceptor dies long before he/she ever gets within a range that would allow their radar to detect the small RCS. You simply cruise along, passively detecting the enemy and plinking them at your leisure. No sweating, grunting, groaning, Is F22 (jurassicfighter) is a Bomber? I like that. The F-22 will be the T-rex of fighters. Wouldn't that make it a cretaceousfighter? -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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