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Hurricane relief
"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
... I do expect folks to take care of themselves when they're able, and I expect private charity to take care of those who are not able. ... It sounds cold, but the federal government should have very little to do with a relief effort such as the one along the gulf coast. You think rescue from a widespread natural disaster should be left to *private charity*? And if the charities are not up to the task, should the victims just be left to die in the streets? Do you acknowledge *any* legitimate domestic purpose of government, apart from subsidizing the recreation of private pilots? (Virtually every right-wing aviator who posts here is in favor of continued government intervention to prevent market forces from converting airport real estate to more profitable uses.) --Gary |
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"john smith" wrote in message
.. . That's called scrounging. Losing everything you already have is a contingency. How many times did you see the helicopters going to check out what was causing smoke? Every time didn't they? Want to get rescued first? As soon as you see or hear the helicopters flying, start a fire with thick black smoke, someone will come to see what it is. What do you think is easier to see, someone waving their arms as a helicopter goes cruising by, or a column of black smoke a couple miles away? You're weaving an astounding fantasy here. There were people atop houses throughout the flooded city, painting SOS messages on rooftops and waving large white sheets that were plainly visible, but to no avail, because the rescuers were not there. Moreover, 20,000 people had followed the authorities' instructions to take shelter in a stadium (which they were then forbidden to leave because of the rising flood waters) where they found themselves trapped for days without food, water, or lights, with temperatures in the upper 90s, immersed in raw sewage and surrounded by the decaying corpses of people who had already died of dehydration. And you want them to *light fires* to call attention to themselves? --Gary |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
You're weaving an astounding fantasy here. There were people atop houses throughout the flooded city, painting SOS messages on rooftops and waving large white sheets that were plainly visible, but to no avail, because the rescuers were not there. Moreover, 20,000 people had followed the authorities' instructions to take shelter in a stadium (which they were then forbidden to leave because of the rising flood waters) where they found themselves trapped for days without food, water, or lights, with temperatures in the upper 90s, immersed in raw sewage and surrounded by the decaying corpses of people who had already died of dehydration. And you want them to *light fires* to call attention to themselves? No. This thread has digressed from the failure of individuals and governments to make the right decisions in the face of impending disaster to a treatise on survival skills. It has gotten way off topic. |
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john smith wrote:
Gary Drescher wrote: You're weaving an astounding fantasy here. There were people atop houses throughout the flooded city, painting SOS messages on rooftops and waving large white sheets that were plainly visible, but to no avail, because the rescuers were not there. Moreover, 20,000 people had followed the authorities' instructions to take shelter in a stadium (which they were then forbidden to leave because of the rising flood waters) where they found themselves trapped for days without food, water, or lights, with temperatures in the upper 90s, immersed in raw sewage and surrounded by the decaying corpses of people who had already died of dehydration. And you want them to *light fires* to call attention to themselves? No. This thread has digressed from the failure of individuals and governments to make the right decisions in the face of impending disaster to a treatise on survival skills. It has gotten way off topic. And failure of individuals and governments was ever ON TOPIC for r.a... groups? :-) Matt |
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:_1sSe.4062$aG.3295@trndny01... Blanche wrote: You are insensitive and arrogant. and probably too stupid to listen to you. Thanks for trying. Yes. It's important--and, often, ultimately effective--to speak out against evil, even if the direct targets of your speech are unlikely to be persuaded. I've never had any illusion about what lurks just beneath the public-relations veneer of "compassionate conservatism", so I'm not surprised to see the giddy orgy of self-righteous disparagement here (and elsewhere) that's being directed against the black underclass in the wake of the hurricane's devastation; the right wing's ascendancy has led to some unusually unguarded commentary. I do hope and expect, though, that as the inhumane victim-blaming cruelty of the right-wing agenda makes itself more boldly visible, their "let them eat cake" sentiment toward compatriots in a dire emergency will prove sufficiently shocking and revolting to most people to create a political turning point. --Gary |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message news:_1sSe.4062$aG.3295@trndny01... Blanche wrote: You are insensitive and arrogant. and probably too stupid to listen to you. Thanks for trying. Yes. It's important--and, often, ultimately effective--to speak out against evil, even if the direct targets of your speech are unlikely to be persuaded. I've never had any illusion about what lurks just beneath the public-relations veneer of "compassionate conservatism", so I'm not surprised to see the giddy orgy of self-righteous disparagement here (and elsewhere) that's being directed against the black underclass in the wake of the hurricane's devastation; the right wing's ascendancy has led to some unusually unguarded commentary. Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is why you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the agenda nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in desparate straits. Just as in Iraq where the mainstream media only shows you the car bombings and aftermath, but almost never shows you the kids in schools, the kids in parks built by the military, etc. If you really believe that what you are seeing on TV from the areas devastated by Katrina is representative, then I feel very sorry for you as you have been duped to the highest degree. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
... Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is why you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the agenda nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in desparate straits. Huh? Are you actually not aware that the vast majority of people stranded in New Orleans are black? You think the journalists are just hiding the pictures of the white folks when they pan their cameras down the streets or around the stadium? --Gary |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is why you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the agenda nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in desparate straits. Huh? Are you actually not aware that the vast majority of people stranded in New Orleans are black? You think the journalists are just hiding the pictures of the white folks when they pan their cameras down the streets or around the stadium? Majority, yes, 100%, no. I've not seen a white or Hispanic person yet shown on a roof waiting. Are you actually not aware that the media shows what is controversial rather than what actually is? Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
... Gary Drescher wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is why you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the agenda nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in desparate straits. Huh? Are you actually not aware that the vast majority of people stranded in New Orleans are black? You think the journalists are just hiding the pictures of the white folks when they pan their cameras down the streets or around the stadium? Majority, yes, 100%, no. I've not seen a white or Hispanic person yet shown on a roof waiting. Are you actually not aware that the media shows what is controversial rather than what actually is? The news media craves dramatic imagery. Every available photograph of people stranded on the roofs of nearly submerged houses is dramatic enough to get wide circulation. Do you really suppose the media is suppressing the photos of white people on rooftops? More importantly, do you have a shred of *evidence* to support such a supposition? (For example, have you found such suppressed photos in the right-wing news outlets or blogs?) And can you explain why the images of the hurricane victims more generally (apart from the handful of available rooftop photos) do *not* exclude the minority of white victims, if there's a liberal conspiracy to show only the black ones? It's not enough that the victims of this natural disaster are being blamed by some. You've even figured out a way to blame the news media for *showing* the victims if the victims are disproportionately black. --Gary |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
Majority, yes, 100%, no. I've not seen a white or Hispanic person yet shown on a roof waiting. I haven't watched TV in years. I've been getting my visual input from the AP feed. That seems to be more balanced than what you describe. George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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