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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:58:29 GMT, shiver
wrote: Dave (Who has little sympathy for those who will not help themselves.) TO THE GROUP........ Is it just me or is there an amazing coincidence between the posting software (agent) and where he is posting from (giganews) and the similar setup from just plain noise. Am I starting to smell a sock puppet in this thread. Well, shiver me timbers! I post using Agent and I do my dirty work via Giganews too... Arrrrr! The sock puppet has died and is giving off an evil foot-rot odour. Great horny toads! You have a full blown conspiracy on your hands!! Who can you trust, Shiver? Who can you trust??? Elmo von Thud |
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:58:29 GMT, shiver
wrote: Am I starting to smell a sock puppet in this thread. Check out my e-mail address. I am who I say I am. I'm in the phone book. I do not know Plane's real name or where he/she lives. There's only one thing worse than not keeping up with technology, and that's paranoia. Dave |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:52:24 -0400, "Andrew-S"
I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: the parties on both sides have become so focused they don't see how damage they are doing to the newsgroup. What "damage?" Discussion about a format? It is quite simple: if you can not down-load yenc, stop complaining about it and do something about it. Whining never solved anything. I am new to this argument, but for the life of me, I can not understand why people are complaining. If they do not want to view yenc or can not, fine. Live with jpegs. Nothing wrong with that. But, please, stop whining about anyone who posts yenc. Of all the things wrong in this world, it seems very, very petty to boohoo because you can't read yenc. Get a life, get a good news reader, or shut up. Dave |
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Dave,
Did you read what I said before??? Where I described my system, and what my thoughts are about yEnc? Or why for example I prefer OE? Better still why I support the simpler non yEnc environment? There again is just possible in your infinite arrogance that you missed something? Such as the fact that even though I dislike yEnc intensely, and don't see the need for it, that I have been yEnc capable for SEVERAL YEARS NOW!!! Or other concerns such as that THE VERY ARGUMENT IS HURTING the newsgroup? Or that my biggest reason for supporting the NON-yEnc argument is that this NG group is aimed at amateurs, many of whom are blissfully ignorant of yEnc and either lack the tools or the skills to install yEnc reading abilities. Minor details that I have stated over and over again, that you and the blindly pro yEnc crowd refuse to hear. Isn't it funny how none of the pro shooters in this NG post in yEnc. I wonder why that is??? Golly Gee Whiz somehow it looks as though your really sophisticated readers missed something!! or it could it have been the users of these readers that are missing something? I know it was all the plane noise in the background. By the way when was the last time did a photo shoot? or for that matter when was the last time you posted a top rate image of your own? Hmmm I didn't think so.. In the meantime my narrow minded friend I have two words for you and the letter of the first word starts with an "F" it is then followed the word OFF!!! Andrew "Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:52:24 -0400, "Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: the parties on both sides have become so focused they don't see how damage they are doing to the newsgroup. What "damage?" Discussion about a format? It is quite simple: if you can not down-load yenc, stop complaining about it and do something about it. Whining never solved anything. I am new to this argument, but for the life of me, I can not understand why people are complaining. If they do not want to view yenc or can not, fine. Live with jpegs. Nothing wrong with that. But, please, stop whining about anyone who posts yenc. Of all the things wrong in this world, it seems very, very petty to boohoo because you can't read yenc. Get a life, get a good news reader, or shut up. Dave |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:06:45 -0400, "Andrew-S"
I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: Dave, Did you read what I said before??? Where I described my system, and what my thoughts are about yEnc? Or why for example I prefer OE? Better still why I support the simpler non yEnc environment? There again is just possible in your infinite arrogance that you missed something? Such as the fact that even though I dislike yEnc intensely, and don't see the need for it, that I have been yEnc capable for SEVERAL YEARS NOW!!! Or other concerns such as that THE VERY ARGUMENT IS HURTING the newsgroup? Or that my biggest reason for supporting the NON-yEnc argument is that this NG group is aimed at amateurs, many of whom are blissfully ignorant of yEnc and either lack the tools or the skills to install yEnc reading abilities. Minor details that I have stated over and over again, that you and the blindly pro yEnc crowd refuse to hear. Isn't it funny how none of the pro shooters in this NG post in yEnc. I wonder why that is??? Golly Gee Whiz somehow it looks as though your really sophisticated readers missed something!! or it could it have been the users of these readers that are missing something? I know it was all the plane noise in the background. By the way when was the last time did a photo shoot? or for that matter when was the last time you posted a top rate image of your own? Hmmm I didn't think so.. In the meantime my narrow minded friend I have two words for you and the letter of the first word starts with an "F" it is then followed the word OFF!!! Andrew Andrew, it matters not to me whether you like or dislike yenc, whether you can or can not use it to down load pics. The question is, how is it hurting this ng? The only "hurt" I see is people who complain and whine because someone is posting in yenc. What the hell kind of attitude is that? It's there to be looked at or ignored. It need not be a source of whining. Open it, ignore it. It is that simply. Why must you whine about it. You're a spoiled little child talking like that. And to say eff off to me, well, I ain't goin' anyplace, kid. I'm here to stay, downing both yenc and non-yenc pictures, both non-pro and pro. (BTW, if you have down loaded any of Plane's pictures, you will see that he is a very good photographer. But, how could you possibly know that unless you down load his yenc files.) d;o) I have only posted a couple of pictures on this ng - some MiGs I photographed in Petropavlosk, Kamchatka, Russia while on a fly fishing exposition. You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic arts to post anything. I am a lurker, mainly, enjoying every kind of format posted here. You should try it, kid. As far as telling you to eff off, that ain't my style, kid. It serves no purpose to use vulgarities on the internet. Now, if you told that to me face to face, uhhh, things might be a little different, dontchaknow. d;o) Dave (Who is *positive* that the kid ain't gettin' the message.) |
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You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I think it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work in a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either a pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography. The more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they want, it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a real titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize what they are. Outside of that though let me make sure I understand the time line here. You direct unsupported statements about getting a yEnc decoder to myself... Without ever reading my postings regarding the subject and I respond in anger... Hmm did I miss something there with my lowly OE??? As for being a kid, age wise I am 43 so how that compares against you I am not sure.. On the other hand I have been in and out of this NG for about 10 years or so, often as an active poster and just as many times as a lurker. Now then regarding your time in the group, how long did you say you have been here? Speaking of which, when did I suggest you or anybody else leave the group? Check again and make sure that you don't have me confused with someone else. As for ignoring or not ignoring things... I rather thought that is what I was saying to Bill when I mentioned the other interesting places to get our Aviation Photo Fixes... A comment though not private, that was directed towards Bill. So my next and most obvious question is how much further do you want this to go? Do we meet somewhere in a ring? or perhaps something more interesting like dueling pistols? Okay beyond the bad jokes... Arguable the bravest (or perhaps dumbest) thing to do in any sort of battle is to stand up, put down your weapon first and say "I am not going to fight". Not because you or I or indeed anyone else is a coward, but because you see a greater danger by continuing the fight. Which is where I am at right now with our war of words and the NGs current yEnc debates. The clearest example of this is what has just transpired between us!!! You didn't read my prior postings? You made a comment that I took for being snide, and I responded by escalating it yet again... As for the damage to the group... I am referring to the constant bickering that erupts every single time anyone makes a comment regarding yEnc. It doesn't matter whether it be a pro or anti yEnc comments, whether it be in anger as is currently happening with OUR "you said I said" war of words. Or making a simple comments, either as peace overtures, or an inflammatory tag line to a posting. The name or process or whatever you choose to call yEnc is at this moment in time is a hot button word. People ON BOTH SIDES bar their teeth and start barking the moment it is even breathed. Hell look what happens when people suggest ignoring it!!! The very word yEnc is like mentioning Bomb half way into round the world flight on an airliner. The very fact that you where talking about a roach bomb your neighbors had to use in their house is irrelevant. The only word that anyone heard was "Bomb" and everyone freaks out. Say yEnc in this NG and you get the cyber equivalent... In the meantime more and more people are walking away from the group because of this war of words. Until very recently I was prepared to lay the blame on a handful of individuals for starting it, HOWEVER it no longer really matters anymore who started it, or even why it started. Because if ANY ONE including myself and you, has made a single or caustic or snide remark on the subject we are as guilty as any of those who actaully did start it. This includes BOTH ANTI AND PRO yEnc supporters... Whether you love yEnc, or hate yEnc at this point in time it doesn't matter; yEnc should be considered a forbidden subject in any form. Or at least until the temperature cools down quite a bit. To bring it back to our exchange... Dave believe me when I say this you are not "showing me", and I am not running away from our exchange. If you knew me as a person you would quickly realize that I may commit a 1000 sins, but cowardice isn't one of them. On the other hand I am simply stating that I have no wish to continue a war of words that I see as detrimental to the group. So if you continue it, that is your choice, but it will be a very lonely war of words. Andrew "Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:06:45 -0400, "Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: Dave, Did you read what I said before??? Where I described my system, and what my thoughts are about yEnc? Or why for example I prefer OE? Better still why I support the simpler non yEnc environment? There again is just possible in your infinite arrogance that you missed something? Such as the fact that even though I dislike yEnc intensely, and don't see the need for it, that I have been yEnc capable for SEVERAL YEARS NOW!!! Or other concerns such as that THE VERY ARGUMENT IS HURTING the newsgroup? Or that my biggest reason for supporting the NON-yEnc argument is that this NG group is aimed at amateurs, many of whom are blissfully ignorant of yEnc and either lack the tools or the skills to install yEnc reading abilities. Minor details that I have stated over and over again, that you and the blindly pro yEnc crowd refuse to hear. Isn't it funny how none of the pro shooters in this NG post in yEnc. I wonder why that is??? Golly Gee Whiz somehow it looks as though your really sophisticated readers missed something!! or it could it have been the users of these readers that are missing something? I know it was all the plane noise in the background. By the way when was the last time did a photo shoot? or for that matter when was the last time you posted a top rate image of your own? Hmmm I didn't think so.. In the meantime my narrow minded friend I have two words for you and the letter of the first word starts with an "F" it is then followed the word OFF!!! Andrew Andrew, it matters not to me whether you like or dislike yenc, whether you can or can not use it to down load pics. The question is, how is it hurting this ng? The only "hurt" I see is people who complain and whine because someone is posting in yenc. What the hell kind of attitude is that? It's there to be looked at or ignored. It need not be a source of whining. Open it, ignore it. It is that simply. Why must you whine about it. You're a spoiled little child talking like that. And to say eff off to me, well, I ain't goin' anyplace, kid. I'm here to stay, downing both yenc and non-yenc pictures, both non-pro and pro. (BTW, if you have down loaded any of Plane's pictures, you will see that he is a very good photographer. But, how could you possibly know that unless you down load his yenc files.) d;o) I have only posted a couple of pictures on this ng - some MiGs I photographed in Petropavlosk, Kamchatka, Russia while on a fly fishing exposition. You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic arts to post anything. I am a lurker, mainly, enjoying every kind of format posted here. You should try it, kid. As far as telling you to eff off, that ain't my style, kid. It serves no purpose to use vulgarities on the internet. Now, if you told that to me face to face, uhhh, things might be a little different, dontchaknow. d;o) Dave (Who is *positive* that the kid ain't gettin' the message.) |
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"Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote in message ... You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in Washington DC metro area have degrees. Andrew re-read what was said. He did not say he had one, even though he may or may not. What he actually said was; "You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic arts to post anything." |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:12:14 -0400, "Andrew-S"
I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I think it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work in a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either a pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography. The more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they want, it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a real titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize what they are. Uhh, you need to take a course in reading comprehension, kid. Where did I say I have a PhD? I have no graphics training. (Twenty years in the Navy, twenty years as an opto-electronics engineer, ten years as a high performance driving instructor for cops, but no PhD.) d;o) Forty-three? So I *was* correct. I have kids older than you. This thing can end very easily, Andrew: Stop your incessant whining. It does not become you. As for the cowardice thingy.... we all say things on the internet that we would not say if we were face to face with each other. Your telling me to **** off is an example. I know you wouldn't say that to me face to face, not because you are a coward, but because I know you are better than that. You read to much into peoples' words. Dave (Who, at 70 and 6"1' (shrinking!), 220 pounds has absolutely NO interest in fighting anyone. Been there. Done that. Have the t-shirt.) |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:35:48 GMT, "P50" wrote:
"Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote in message ... You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in Washington DC metro area have degrees. Andrew re-read what was said. He did not say he had one, even though he may or may not. What he actually said was; "You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic arts to post anything." buzzer "We have a winner in the balcony, Doctor." Thank you, P50. I have NO degree. But, my wife does have a PhD in solid state physics (UNC, Chapel Hill). |
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I stand corrected...
and you are of course correct.. Andrew "P50" wrote in message ... "Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote in message ... You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in Washington DC metro area have degrees. Andrew re-read what was said. He did not say he had one, even though he may or may not. What he actually said was; "You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic arts to post anything." |
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