Boeing to cease 757 production

In article . net, "Mike
Rapoport" writes:

There are less than 100MM tax returns representing ~$4.5T in
taxable income filed in the US each year. I find it hard to believe that
$8,000 per family or over 15%$ of personal income is spent complying with
various regulations.

You're answering your own questions. You right; it isn't just environmental
overregulation. It's taxes too. (especially double taxation)

John

"JohnMcGrew" wrote in message
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In article . net, "Mike
Rapoport" writes:

There are less than 100MM tax returns representing ~$4.5T in
taxable income filed in the US each year. I find it hard to believe that
$8,000 per family or over 15%$ of personal income is spent complying with
various regulations.

You're answering your own questions. You right; it isn't just
environmental
overregulation. It's taxes too. (especially double taxation)

John

The wage difference between the US and many other countries is so high that
it wouldn't matter if US taxes and regualtions were zero.

Mike
MU-2

In article et, "Mike
Rapoport" writes:

The wage difference between the US and many other countries is so high that
it wouldn't matter if US taxes and regualtions were zero.

True. But taxes and regulations are the factors of the cost of production that
can be changed by fiat. Workers expecation of what they should be able to make
cannot.

John

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...
"Tom S." writes:

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Lower cost labor and/or outsourcing to secure orders (Japan). Not
enviornmental regulation, that's for sure.

Bull! EPA regs cost US business something like $300 bbbbillion a year in
additional overhead. Other regs (OSHA, and the endless list) account for
over $800 BILLION. Try competing with that hanging over your economy.

Far, *far* better than not being able to drink the water or breathe
the air. Environmental preservation *should* be a basic conservative
issue -- it's as vital as your next breath.

If you want 99.9999% clean water at $300B instead of 99.999% clean for
$300M, then buy your won with YOUR OWN money.

(Where does everyone come up with the logic error of "False
Alternatives"???)
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/distract/fd.htm

"Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message
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I think the problem is that some very influential people believe that only
cleanroom pure air and reagent grade water is acceptable.


Because they don't have to pay the bill themselves, or they are bureaucrats
who achieve more power/funding/influence by pushing the impossible via
hysterics and crisis-mongering.

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...
"Jon Woellhaf" writes:

That certainly *would* be a problem. But I'll tell you, the level the
air quality gets down to sometimes here in Minneapolis, with no
mountains and pretty regular prevailing winds to move it along, is
quite bad enough; I really *don't* want to know what it would be like
without catalytic converters and electronic fuel injection and oxygen
sensors on cars, and scrubbers on power stations and such.

Problem is, as you stated, all than and you STILL have pollution. I'll bet
your emmissions examinations exempt the worst sources (they do here in
Arizona). Thing is, it's easier to BS a few bureaucrats than a couple
million free-market consumers.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Tom S." wrote in message
...
I also think that we have to question your numbers particulaly
the $800B one. There are less than 100MM tax returns representing
~$4.5T
in
taxable income filed in the US each year. I find it hard to believe
that
$8,000 per family or over 15%$ of personal income is spent complying
with
various regulations.

Believe it. (Why does it require two incomes to live as well as it did
just
a couple generations ago...and don't confuse toys with REAL COSTS of
living).

$800B spread over 280M people is about $2400 per person, but it hits
higher
if what you buy comes out of manufacturing (more so than services). The
cost
of regulation adds 50 cents to a gallon of gas, for instance, about
$25-50K
to the price of a house, about 25% to a grocery bill...

Please cite a credible source. Thanks.

Mike
MU-2
Here's a couple in just one issue (though others are spread around in other
issues).

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/...4/reg14n4.html

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...

You're answering your own questions. You right; it isn't just
environmental
overregulation. It's taxes too. (especially double taxation)

John

The wage difference between the US and many other countries is so high
that
it wouldn't matter if US taxes and regualtions were zero.

Do YOU have a "credible source" for that claim?


(Why do you think US wages ARE so high..especially for virtually unskilled
and mostly semi-skilled labor?)

"JohnMcGrew" wrote in message
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In article et, "Mike
Rapoport" writes:

The wage difference between the US and many other countries is so high
that
it wouldn't matter if US taxes and regualtions were zero.

True.

False! (or argueable).

But taxes and regulations are the factors of the cost of production that
can be changed by fiat.
True.

Workers expecation of what they should be able to make
cannot.

False!

If you look at another issue of the same publication:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/....html#niskanen

You will see that there are a range of estimates on the cost of regulation
from $44B to $182B (1988 dollars) and most of these regulations have an
offsetting benefit to somebody. When the coal fired powerplant is required
to install pollution control equipment that is revenue to the supplier of
the equipment, their suppliers employment for their workers ect.
Additionally these costs must be netted out against the benefits. The
bottom line is that the cost of regulation to society is nowhere near $800B.

Mike
MU-2


"Tom S." wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Tom S." wrote in message
...
I also think that we have to question your numbers particulaly
the $800B one. There are less than 100MM tax returns representing
~$4.5T
in
taxable income filed in the US each year. I find it hard to believe
that
$8,000 per family or over 15%$ of personal income is spent complying
with
various regulations.

Believe it. (Why does it require two incomes to live as well as it did
just
a couple generations ago...and don't confuse toys with REAL COSTS of
living).

$800B spread over 280M people is about $2400 per person, but it hits
higher
if what you buy comes out of manufacturing (more so than services).
The
cost
of regulation adds 50 cents to a gallon of gas, for instance, about
$25-50K
to the price of a house, about 25% to a grocery bill...

Please cite a credible source. Thanks.

Mike
MU-2
Here's a couple in just one issue (though others are spread around in
other
issues).

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/...4/reg14n4.html