Certificate- Wallet or Bag?

wrote in message . com...
I guess I really already know the answer.... just excited to finally
have something to be proud of after all these years. But I AM curious.
Where do you keep yours?

In my pants, along with all the other important stuff. It's in my
wallet, as is my medical and my Driver's License. What did you think
I was talking about?

That way, I'm always ready to fly. I can borrow a headset if I have
to...

-Malcolm Teas

61.3(a) says, "....pilot certificate...in that person's physical possession
or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that
certificate or authorization." So you can keep it in your flight bag if you
bring the flight bag with you on every flight. I keep my flight and medical
certificates in my wallet. And, I'll show the originals to anyone that
wants to see them and if necessary will provide a photocopy of both.

wrote in message
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But I AM curious.
Where do you keep yours?

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:48:52 GMT, David Kazdan wrote:

It's not quite analagous, but my father was asked by a policeman for his
amateur radio license. Dad, my wife, and I are all licensed and have state of
Ohio issued callplate license plates; it's a specific automobile license plate
category in Ohio and has "amateur radio" embossed below the license plate
number, which is the amateur radio station callsign. I'll guess that it was
intended to permit police to know which cars are likely to have emergency
communication equipment, but it's mostly taken as a cheap vanity plate by the
ham community. Apparently the police request is legal and must be honored; I
don't know if there's actually a penalty for not having the license, and I've
never seen an Ohio law saying that the certificate has to be on the driver's
person. Federal law (FCC regs) do say that the license has to be immediately
available when the licensee is exercising the priveleges of his radio
transmitting license. Dad was incensed, I looked into it a little bit, found
that it happens occasionally, reportedly more in Michigan than in Ohio.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message ...
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As for your question, I think its a bit of overthinking. My understanding
of the Fed's rules is that only a representative of the administrator can
require you to show it....but that was pre-9/11.

Your understanding would be incorrect. FAA regs require you to show
your certificate to an FAA type and any law enforcement officer who
asks to see it.

That, of course, assumes that you have it with you. There is no FAA
reg requiring you to carry your cert. when you are not excercising the
privilege of said cert.

This is not post 9/11 stuff. That reg has been around for ever.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

EDR wrote in message ...
In article , Rick Durden
wrote:

EDR,


You are not required to submit to a ramp check.

In fact, you are. The Federal Aviation Act, which created the FAA,
gives the FAA authority to monitor aviation activity. If you are
asked by a person who identifies him or herself as an FAA inspector,
you are obligated to show your pilot certificate if you have it with
you.

I'm curious as to the basis for your statement above.

Statement made by a FSDO Inspector.

HaaaaHaaaHaaa! That's a good one! You might as well ask the guy
who works the counter at the doughnut shop.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

wrote in message
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Yes you are. Part 61.3.l:

Inspection of Certificate. Each person who holds an
airman certificate, medical certificate, authorization,
or license required by this part must present it for
inspection upon request from:
(1) The Administrator;
(2) An authorized represenative of the NTSB; or
(3) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement
officer.

In short, Barney Fife could "request" to see your cert, and probably
seize it (I think that's another section of Part 61; definitely if
you're intoxicated, as recent airline events have shown.).

It doesn't say you must present it immediately when Barney requests to see
it.



On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Chuck wrote:


"EDR" wrote in message
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In article , Rick
Durden
wrote:

EDR,


You are not required to submit to a ramp check.

In fact, you are. The Federal Aviation Act, which created the FAA,
gives the FAA authority to monitor aviation activity. If you are
asked by a person who identifies him or herself as an FAA inspector,
you are obligated to show your pilot certificate if you have it with
you.

I'm curious as to the basis for your statement above.

Statement made by a FSDO Inspector.


It's funny how you can ask 5 different FSDO inspector the same question
and
get 5 different answers...




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Where do you keep your certificate?

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My certificate occupies the third place right behind my driver's license and
U.S.A.F. retired ID card in my wallet. I gladly will show it to anyone
interested. In my logbook, as others have indicated, I have a envelope glued
to the inside back cover. In that I keep my medical certificate; a copy of
the FAA Registry web page that shows my PP rating; a copy of my renter's
insurance coverage statement; and a copy of my long-since expired temporary
PP certificate - I know, it isn't required but it brings back a lot of
memories :-).

Harry
PP-ASEL

"Marcus Walls" wrote in message ...

Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

Not anymore.

I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

This is new in the past few years. Before you had to wait until you got the paper.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message . ..

"Marcus Walls" wrote in message ...

Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

Not anymore.

Sorry, that sounds ambiguous. What I was saying is that it is NO LONGER
required that you have the certificate in your possession.


I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

This is new in the past few years. Before you had to wait until you got the paper.

Dave Stadt wrote
In short, Barney Fife could "request" to see your cert, and
probably
seize it (I think that's another section of Part 61; definitely if
you're intoxicated, as recent airline events have shown.).

It doesn't say you must present it immediately when Barney requests
to see
it.

Feds don't write state laws; must look to wording of law in each
state, and they must have a law on the books to able to inspect the
cert. Sample:

"...and either or both of the certificates must be presented for
inspection upon the demand of any passenger, any peace officer, or any
official, manager, or person in charge of any airport or landing
field upon which the pilot or aircraft shall land."

The consequences of failure to present valid cert varies by state.
While most states make it misdemeanor to operate w/o a certificate,
the quoted state makes violation of the above a misdemeanor also. So,
here if you're observed by police operating an aircraft, and refuse to
present the certificate immediately upon demand, you can be arrested.

Fred F.