Karma catches up to Mayor Daley

"Doug Carter" wrote in message
Yeah.. The "official" Gods and Generals pulled his picture from their
web site but its all over the web. He was on the set, in costume for
his 84th birthday; had a party with other (D) congress-persons singing.


Interesting. Did his image actually appear in the film?

On 2004-02-08, John Gaquin wrote:

"Doug Carter" wrote in message
Yeah.. The "official" Gods and Generals pulled his picture from their
web site but its all over the web. He was on the set, in costume for
his 84th birthday; had a party with other (D) congress-persons singing.


Interesting. Did his image actually appear in the film?

I don't know if he made the cut or not, See if you recognize him:

http://www.ronmaxwell.com/godsandgenerals/

Picture 15: Ron Maxwell, Senator Barbara Mikulski, Senator Robert Byrd

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
Very few people in Washington who are not Very High Profile dare seriously
cross swords with the Clintons. There are well over a hundred people
associated with the Clintons over the past twenty-five years who have done
so, and subsequently died in violent or questionable circumstances.
...I stopped believing in repetitive coincidence many years ago.

John, can you establish that people "associated with the Clintons over the
past twenty-five years" number fewer than tens of thousands (using a broad
enough criterion of "associated with" to encompass the "well over a hundred"
whose deaths you refer to)? Can you then establish that the alleged 100+
consitute an above-average percentage of those associates to have died in
"violent or questionable circumstances" (using a broad enough criterion of
"questionable circumstances" to encompass all alleged 100+)?

Unless you do, you have not shown that there is even any coincidence to be
explained, let alone that your bizarre explanation has merit.

When the same type of thing repeatedly occurs around the
same group of people, only a blind man would fail to make
some connection.

Either a blind man, or anyone with a grasp of elementary statistical
reasoning.

--Gary

"John Gaquin" wrote:
I can make no unequivocal accusation, because there has never been
broad
documentary evidence to provide hard linkage, but certain points hold
true:
A) the circumstances I've described are a matter of public record.

Interesting. Is there a site where these collected records may be
viewed?

How many people in your circle of acquaintances, Dan, have died
in such a manner? Ten? Thirty? Count 'em.

Fewer than twenty that I can recall offhand. Nevertheless, to kill so
many people whom the Clintons found objectionable would require a
conspiracy that was ruthless, marvelously efficient and 100% leakproof.
The last item is the achilles heel of many conspiracy theories. For
instance, consider the theory that Flight 800 was shot down by the U. S.
Navy. The idea seems at least superficially plausible when one hears the
eyewitness accounts that support it, but imagine the sheer number of
people who would have to keep absolutely silent to cover up such a
thing.

The idea of an airtight cabal capable of murdering a hundred people in
complete secrecy - and making most of the murders look like accidents -
strains my credulity to the breaking point. Plus, I just don't think the
Clintons could be that good at *anything*. Still, I'd like to read the
record.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

"Richard Riley" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:20:59 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

:And in the Marines he could barely shoot "Marksman".

In Dec '56 he shot "Sharpshooter."

:The shots that killed
:Kennedy would put the finest sharpshooters in the country to shame.

No, it wouldn't. I've been to the museum in the depository, and
looked out the window with a vintage 4x scope, like Oswald had. It's
not a hard shot. The car was moving at walking speed.

The car was moving 12MPH; a fast walk is 5MPH.

1) A shot on a target moving away,even at walking speed, angling away, is
damn difficult...perhaps the most difficult shot in riflery.
2) The time the target is visible was only a few seconds (between trees and
other obstructions).
3) Was the vintage scope a "Tasco"; Tasco, even then had horrible optics and
light transmission.
4) Try it with a Carcano
5) Now try it four times with a Carcano.

There's a fun match held each year called the "Texas School Depository
Drill" where contetants try to match the feat that Oswald ostensibly
performed (four shots in about six seconds, three hits...) using the same
equipment. Even the best bolt-action shooters can't duplicate it.

:Again, _wanting_ to do something and actually _performing the act_ are
two
:different things.

No matter what doubts you have about Oswald, nobody doubts that he
killed John D. Tippit rather than be taken in to custody. They got
him with the gun.

And that is totally irrelevant.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message

.....are you seriously contending that they are complicit in
mass murder, and that many people in Washington fear to criticize them
for this reason?

I can make no unequivocal accusation, because there has never been broad
documentary evidence to provide hard linkage, but certain points hold
true:
A) the circumstances I've described are a matter of public record. B) I
stopped believing in repetitive coincidence many years ago. What you (or
anyone else) believe is up to you. When the same type of thing repeatedly
occurs around the same group of people, only a blind man would fail to
make
some connection.

How many people in your circle of acquaintances, Dan, have died in such a
manner? Ten? Thirty? Count 'em.
I'm sure Dan's circle of acquaintances is somewhat narrower than Bubba's.
There's a web site out there that attributes the same ratio of deadly
associations to Bush, Sr. (though not nearly as many were associated my
means of criminal enterprise and the links are rather tenuous).

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote:
I can make no unequivocal accusation, because there has never been
broad
documentary evidence to provide hard linkage, but certain points hold
true:
A) the circumstances I've described are a matter of public record.

Interesting. Is there a site where these collected records may be
viewed?

How many people in your circle of acquaintances, Dan, have died
in such a manner? Ten? Thirty? Count 'em.

Fewer than twenty that I can recall offhand. Nevertheless, to kill so
many people whom the Clintons found objectionable would require a
conspiracy that was ruthless, marvelously efficient and 100% leakproof.

Consider the history of prosecutions of gang leaders in the last 50-75
years...and that's with the prosecutors pulling out all stops.

The last item is the achilles heel of many conspiracy theories. For
instance, consider the theory that Flight 800 was shot down by the U. S.
Navy. The idea seems at least superficially plausible when one hears the
eyewitness accounts that support it, but imagine the sheer number of
people who would have to keep absolutely silent to cover up such a
thing.

Whole different context in terms of numbers. Criminal conduct is, be
necessity, restricted to very few numbers. Consider, too, how many people
jumped off an ethical cliff to protect Bubba.

The idea of an airtight cabal capable of murdering a hundred people in
complete secrecy - and making most of the murders look like accidents -
strains my credulity to the breaking point.

It does mine as well, but the lack of scrutiny tends to overwhelm that
credulity.

Plus, I just don't think the
Clintons could be that good at *anything*. Still, I'd like to read the
record.

If you do, take note of how many "incidents" got a very quick pass over.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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|
| "Richard Riley" wrote in message
| ...
| On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:20:59 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
| wrote:
|
| :And in the Marines he could barely shoot "Marksman".
|
| In Dec '56 he shot "Sharpshooter."
|
| :The shots that killed
| :Kennedy would put the finest sharpshooters in the country to shame.
|
| No, it wouldn't. I've been to the museum in the depository, and
| looked out the window with a vintage 4x scope, like Oswald had. It's
| not a hard shot. The car was moving at walking speed.
|
| The car was moving 12MPH; a fast walk is 5MPH.
|
| 1) A shot on a target moving away,even at walking speed, angling away, is
| damn difficult...perhaps the most difficult shot in riflery.
| 2) The time the target is visible was only a few seconds (between trees
and
| other obstructions).
| 3) Was the vintage scope a "Tasco"; Tasco, even then had horrible optics
and
| light transmission.
| 4) Try it with a Carcano
| 5) Now try it four times with a Carcano.
|

Let's see: he missed twice and got one fatal shot. Now, are you saying that
all these imaginary people on the grassy knoll, the freeway overpass, the
sewers, etc., were somehow just as superhuman as Oswald?

Shooting somebody who is running away, let alone walking, is not all that
difficult. It is probably the most common shot.

Penn and Teller have duplicated the feat using identical equipment, and they
are not even trained marksmen.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...
|
| "Richard Riley" wrote in message
| ...
| On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:20:59 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
| wrote:
|
| :And in the Marines he could barely shoot "Marksman".
|
| In Dec '56 he shot "Sharpshooter."
|
| :The shots that killed
| :Kennedy would put the finest sharpshooters in the country to shame.
|
| No, it wouldn't. I've been to the museum in the depository, and
| looked out the window with a vintage 4x scope, like Oswald had. It's
| not a hard shot. The car was moving at walking speed.
|
| The car was moving 12MPH; a fast walk is 5MPH.
|
| 1) A shot on a target moving away,even at walking speed, angling away,
is
| damn difficult...perhaps the most difficult shot in riflery.
| 2) The time the target is visible was only a few seconds (between trees
and
| other obstructions).
| 3) Was the vintage scope a "Tasco"; Tasco, even then had horrible optics
and
| light transmission.
| 4) Try it with a Carcano
| 5) Now try it four times with a Carcano.
|

Let's see: he missed twice and got one fatal shot.

Supposedly he got three hits, one miss.

Now, are you saying that
all these imaginary people on the grassy knoll, the freeway overpass, the
sewers, etc., were somehow just as superhuman as Oswald?

Three hits, one miss, by two shooters?

Shooting somebody who is running away, let alone walking, is not all that
difficult. It is probably the most common shot.

Not on an angle it's not.


Penn and Teller have duplicated the feat using identical equipment, and
they
are not even trained marksmen.

Cite?

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message news:NCBVb.260

I'm sure Dan's circle of acquaintances is somewhat narrower than Bubba's.
There's a web site out there that attributes the same ratio of deadly
associations to Bush, Sr.

That may well be, there are numbers everywhere, and there are tenuous
associations to be found in all manner of places. Folks are free to believe
what they want, even bet their life on statistical analysis, if that's what
excites them. But I'll tell you what. I've developed a great respect for
my gut based on experience over the years. When my gut talks to me, I
listen.