ATC clears takeoff aircraft for midair

Gene Whitt wrote:

--My preferred departure request is always a "270 on course to my
destination.

Would you please provide a detailed description of what this is?

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

"Gene Whitt" wrote in message
k.net...

I don't know why I always get blamed for the things I do.


Should someone else be blamed for the things you do?

--My preferred departure request is always a "270 on course to my
destination.


I take it you turn 270 degrees (the long way) towards your destination, which
is 90 degrees to your takeoff direction? My destinations aren't always in that
direction, but anyway, what does this buy you (other than a climbing clearing
turn)? Or is that what you want? (I'd want to get away from the airport)

--The "On Course" request is a far more specific notice to other pilots of
my intentions and path.


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(continued, sorry!)

only if they already know your course.

--My preferred arrival is a base entry

Why?


--My most interesting arrival was a base entry over the numbers at pattern
altitude with a 270 short approach to the runway.


I wouldn't call this a base entry, but perhaps that's just semantics. You
crossed the runway (though not midfield) and entered a (very short) downwind.

Jose

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I'd be especially interested in comments from Gene Whitt, who said ATC has
been trying to kill him for 40 years, and anyone who might recognize the
airport from the runways described.

Nah - it would take a LOT more than ATC to kill Gene Whitt
Did you check out his website yet? - Best aviation website on the net.
Gene has taught me a lot through this group and through his site.
Thanks Gene.

Tony

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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Jay Honeck wrote:
I gotta disagree with you Jay. I fly out of a busier airport than
HPN--FRG also in NY. It's class D as well and I shudder when I think
about that airport not having a control tower. It's far from perfect
but the controllers do their best to try and warn pilots of nearby
aircraft even though it's not their responsibility. What would your
solution be?

I hear what you're saying, but to call non-radar airspace such as
MOST Class D "controlled" is (again, IMHO) wrong.

Call it "semi-controlled" or "ground separation only" or "we hope to
see you with our binoculars" -- do anything but call it
"controlled"...cuz it ain't.

Aren't you forgetting about class E?
That is labeled "controlled", too, but hopefully even the dumbest pilot
would not expect VFR traffic separation by ATC in class E.

jue

"tony roberts" wrote in message
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Nah - it would take a LOT more than ATC to kill Gene Whitt
Did you check out his website yet? - Best aviation website on the net.
Gene has taught me a lot through this group and through his site.


I perused just a couple of pages of his website a few years ago and found
them riddled with errors.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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G.R.
The 270 departure is, when appropriate for your destination a climbing turn
that takes you back directly over the airport well above pattern altitude.
The beauty of it goes beyond traffic avoidance. The course line on your
charts go from airport to airport. Normal departures take you two or more
miles off course
before you turn in the direction you want to go. You have to turn to
intercept your chart line centered on the airport. The 270 can give you a
new start time from over the airport and a heading line
corresponding to your line on the chart. All you should do is ask for it at
controlled airports and advise traffic of your intentions at uncontrrolled
airports.
Gene.

"Steven P. McNicoll"
Regarding Steven's remarks regarding blame and being riddled with errors. I
am very much in agreement with him. The ability to take responsibility for
what you have done and will do is part of a good pilot's flying attitude.
Likewise the willingness to make mistakes and survive is an attitude I have
because it keeps me flying.

My opinions, and that is mostly what I write, are not absolute truths. Very
little in life or flying is so absolute. What we have is choices of
options. Some choices are going to be as wrong as the options chosen. The
surest sign of a skilled craftsman in his art is to make his mistakes look
like he did them on purpose. This applies to flying as much as anything
else.

It is not just my web site and two or three pages that are riddled with
mistakes. My whole life has been based upon a series of mistakes. I made a
lousy selection of parents and relatives. I had
four stepmothers and four stepfathers before I was ten.and before it became
popular. I learned far more out of school than I did in schools all
different fifteedn of them. I like to say I became a school teacher to
get even. I left teachers college without a credential because I condemmed
their program for being a waste of my life. I told them blatently what was
wrong. After I left they made some changes I suggested. It didn't change
things. Still a waste of time in most respects. This is why teachers are
the worst products coming from colleges. The good teachers are thus so in
spite of what they didn't learn in college.

Would I change my life, do I have regrets? Yes! However, I grew
through my problems and mistakes to be above concern or fault finding. I
got lucky. Fifty-seven years with a wife who hasn't been able to perfect
me. She sees me as a work in progress. I am still a constant source of
criticism and blame. I love it because she cares and her caring is enough
for me

I have always had flying as a major factor in my life. I lived model
airplanes and flying magazines as a child. I cannot, to this day, let a
plane fly overhead without looking and identifying. As a teacher I found
time to get lucky and .earn enough to get out of school teaching and into
flying.

I don't fly for a living, I don't have to. Don't think I could. Don't
charge enough for my time and expenses but one year out of three. When you
love what you are doing it keeps you going and going and going. Thanks
GUYS...
Gene
Sorry for the rant but it seems to go with the age..

Aren't you forgetting about class E?
That is labeled "controlled", too, but hopefully even the dumbest pilot
would not expect VFR traffic separation by ATC in class E.

We're talking about tower-controlled airspace here, methinks.

Are there any Class E towers?
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"