An Amazing Display of Precision

"gatt" wrote in message
There hasn't been peace in the middle east since before the Old Testament.

Yeah but they've never had an ass-whoopin like this ass-whoopin.

--
Jim Fisher

"ShawnD2112" wrote in
:

How many brothers or sons have you lost in combat in Iraq, Doug? I
find it interesting that you always find the extreme right on the
outside of the perimeter fence around any military installation.
Those inside are usually not quite so vociferous.



I have lost 3,000 friends brothers and countrymen in this war, thank you
sir. I have 3 more direct personal friends that I would trade places
with today ...that are on the border of Syria as I type this.

What about you?

I have served 4 years USAF (5th SWS Woomera Australia) during '91 gulf
war with 23 scud launch detections while on my watch (called by me
personally). 70% of them shot down by patriot missle batteries saving
the lives of not only my military brothers but civillians as well.

And I can tell you that when I was in the service (3 stations, 13 TDYs)
I never found anyone that was "for" clinton. The office was the only
thing my brothers respected, he was a joke at the enlisted club. So you
make it apparent that you may have never been on a military base, unless
it was part of the clinton social experiment.

And for reference:

My only son has made his own decision to join the Marines when he
graduates HS to become a sniper and put bullets in the heads of those
that wish to do our country harm. I will be the one that sends him off
to fight for our freedom.

My Father served honorably in Korea and Grandfather parachuted into the
South Pacific in WWII. So we could have this freedom we share today.

So dont you DARE assume to tell me what scarafice is. I have put my
name on the paper to take arms to defend this county and die for it if
necessary. My family before me has and my son will when its his turn to
pull his duty. My prayers, praise and support will always be with them.

Sorry, but I don't remember directing my previous post to you, but rather to
a guy named Doug. However, from what you've written, you've earned the
right to be as vociferous as you like as you've put your money where your
mouth is, so to speak. Not everyone who is so vocal about urging the US
into combat is in the same situation, having either made any personal
sacrifices or offering to do so.

And I'll thank you to not make the same assumptions you accuse me of making.
7+ years in the USAF, service in Conus, Korea, Turkey, UK. It's because I
value the armed forces and the men and women in it that I dislike seeing
them used in any but the most noble of causes. And George W.'s personal
fight in Afghanistan and Iraq don't qualify, in my mind. But that kind of
disagreement between people is what it's all about. You don't have to agree
with me and I don't have to agree with you, but I did spend 7 years
defending our collective right to disagree.

Shawn
"FullName" wrote in message
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"ShawnD2112" wrote in
:

How many brothers or sons have you lost in combat in Iraq, Doug? I
find it interesting that you always find the extreme right on the
outside of the perimeter fence around any military installation.
Those inside are usually not quite so vociferous.



I have lost 3,000 friends brothers and countrymen in this war, thank you
sir. I have 3 more direct personal friends that I would trade places
with today ...that are on the border of Syria as I type this.

What about you?

I have served 4 years USAF (5th SWS Woomera Australia) during '91 gulf
war with 23 scud launch detections while on my watch (called by me
personally). 70% of them shot down by patriot missle batteries saving
the lives of not only my military brothers but civillians as well.

And I can tell you that when I was in the service (3 stations, 13 TDYs)
I never found anyone that was "for" clinton. The office was the only
thing my brothers respected, he was a joke at the enlisted club. So you
make it apparent that you may have never been on a military base, unless
it was part of the clinton social experiment.

And for reference:

My only son has made his own decision to join the Marines when he
graduates HS to become a sniper and put bullets in the heads of those
that wish to do our country harm. I will be the one that sends him off
to fight for our freedom.

My Father served honorably in Korea and Grandfather parachuted into the
South Pacific in WWII. So we could have this freedom we share today.

So dont you DARE assume to tell me what scarafice is. I have put my
name on the paper to take arms to defend this county and die for it if
necessary. My family before me has and my son will when its his turn to
pull his duty. My prayers, praise and support will always be with them.

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message ...

Nicely lowered tone, Doug. But you still didn't answer the question.
Having someone in and losing someone to the cause are two different things.

Shawn

So, does that mean that only people who've lost someone they love are
entitled to speak their mind?

Is it enough if it's just a good buddy they lose, or does it have to
be a first-order blood relative?

Do parents who lose an only child get more "opinion credits" than a
big Irish Catholic family with four sons?

A great quote from an old Abraham Lincoln campaign speech, when he was
still a congressman:

"By the way, Mr. Speaker, did you know I am a military hero? Yes sir;
in the days of the Black Hawk war, I fought, bled, and came away.
Speaking of General Cass' career reminds me of my own. I was not at
Stillman's defeat, but I was about as near it, as Cass was to Hull's
surrender; and like him, I saw the place very soon afterwards... If
Gen. Cass went in advance of me in picking huckleberries, I guess I
surpassed him in charges upon the wild onions. If he saw any live
fighting Indians, it was more than I did; but I had a good many bloody
struggles with the mosquitoes; and although I never fainted from loss
of blood, I can truly say I was often very hungry."

Cheers,
-cwk.

"ShawnD2112" wrote in
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Sorry, but I don't remember directing my previous post to you, but
rather to a guy named Doug. However, from what you've written, you've
earned the right to be as vociferous as you like as you've put your
money where your mouth is, so to speak. Not everyone who is so vocal
about urging the US into combat is in the same situation, having
either made any personal sacrifices or offering to do so.

And I'll thank you to not make the same assumptions you accuse me of
making. 7+ years in the USAF, service in Conus, Korea, Turkey, UK.
It's because I value the armed forces and the men and women in it that
I dislike seeing them used in any but the most noble of causes. And
George W.'s personal fight in Afghanistan and Iraq don't qualify, in
my mind. But that kind of disagreement between people is what it's
all about. You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree
with you, but I did spend 7 years defending our collective right to
disagree.


Fair enough and thank you for your service.

Excellent discussion, lets go have a beer :-)