NOTAM

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
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It seems to me that flying is not a right; it is a privilege and a
joy.


Actually, flying IS a right. In the US, our rights are not granted by our
government, we simply have them.

Actually, you're both wrong...sorta.

What you have is the natural right to travel/move about freely in public.
HOW you move about, though, is subject to limitations. Same with driving.
Same with guns: you have the right to a proper self-defense and
self-protection, but not necessarily a right to own/carry GUNS.

Travel/freedom of movement is PRIMARY; the right to FLY is derivative.


--
"A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner,
so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame
none but himself." -- Louis L'Amour

You might want to rethink your "guns" theory...

From the Second Amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed"

From www.dictionary.com: arms - "A weapon, especially a firearm" and: gun -
"A portable firearm, such as a rifle or revolver".

A gun is a firearm, a firearm is an arm. The Second doesn't refer to SOME
arms and by not specifically delineating what arms may be owned or
possessed, the right is extended to ALL arms.

So, in fact, we do have a Constitutional right to "own/carry GUNS".






"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
...

It seems to me that flying is not a right; it is a privilege and a
joy.


Actually, flying IS a right. In the US, our rights are not granted by
our
government, we simply have them.

Actually, you're both wrong...sorta.

What you have is the natural right to travel/move about freely in public.
HOW you move about, though, is subject to limitations. Same with driving.
Same with guns: you have the right to a proper self-defense and
self-protection, but not necessarily a right to own/carry GUNS.

Travel/freedom of movement is PRIMARY; the right to FLY is derivative.


--
"A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner,
so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame
none but himself." -- Louis L'Amour

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Depends on the modeler and the model.
I would say that on most flights I get above 500' AGL at least
some of the time.

How do you know it's altitude?

You might notice that the NOTAM in question assumes that
the FAA can ban model flights altogether, regardless of the
altitude. It may be overreaching, but I don't have the money
to take them to court to prove that it is.

The US government doesn't have Constitutional authority for most of it's
activities.

14 CFR 101

"john smith" wrote in message
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14 CFR 101


What about it?

In article , "Bill Denton" writes:
You might want to rethink your "guns" theory...

From the Second Amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed"

From www.dictionary.com: arms - "A weapon, especially a firearm" and: gun -
"A portable firearm, such as a rifle or revolver".

A gun is a firearm, a firearm is an arm. The Second doesn't refer to SOME
arms and by not specifically delineating what arms may be owned or
possessed, the right is extended to ALL arms.

So, in fact, we do have a Constitutional right to "own/carry GUNS".

Actually, we should have more than that. When the Bill of Rights was
written, we had the right to own the most powerful weapons on the planet.
Right now, I'll settle for a fully armed F15 :-)

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
To reply, remove the TRABoD!
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www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org

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Marty

When it's a wee widdle thing, you know 'tis a way out there.

Big John
Expert R/C Pilot
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MaartyOn Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:24:19 -0700, "David Herman"
wrote:


"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
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Seems to me I've also seen some alititude restrictions imposed
on RC models flying near full-scale airfields. I think that at my
field (Reservoir Park, Lewiston, NY), we're technically
not supposed to go above 500 feet. Some of the larger
models (~40% scale) apparently can be seen on the radar
screens at Niagara Falls (IAG).

Marty,

A dumb question: other than eyeballing and estimating, how exactly does
someone controlling a RC model know its altitude?

David

We bought and own our flying field. What will they do, put a lien on
it?

Big John

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:10:13 -0700, "David Herman"
wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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I wonder how many modelers even know that NOTAMS even exist?


What are they going to do: take your model airplane license away?

Well, they might just shoot you.

If they intercept your killer Skyhawk and you don't land or respond to their
radio calls, wing-wags or flares, that's what I assume they would do to you
or me.

C.J.

Hoax, Hoax, Hoax

Just called long distance and talked to secretary of Marynoll R.C
Club. As of yesterday (Labor day) nothing like posted has happened.

Some people seems to have more time to waste than smarts. Guess they
like to cry wolf.

Big John


On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:45:09 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"David Herman" wrote in message
news:1093630607.592832@yasure...
"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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I wonder how many modelers even know that NOTAMS even exist?


What are they going to do: take your model airplane license away?

Well, they might just shoot you.


Redmond, WA (AP) -- Model Airplane Enthusiast Shot by Secret Service

Model airplane enthusiast David Adams was shot and killed by Secret Service
agents today as hundreds of young soccer players and their parents looked on
in horror. The Marymoor model airplane field was supposed to be closed
during Presidential candidate John Kerry's visit to Microsoft, but no
notices were posted. Agents claimed that they had attempted to shout
warnings to Adams, who had lost his hearing when a hand grenade exploded
near him while he was stationed with the Marines in Afghanistan. Agents for
the Secret Service accused Adams of being a potential terrorist who might
use his model plane in an attack.

The FAA had issued notices to pilots that there was to be no model airplane
activity at the park, but local RC modelers claimed that they had never
received them. Adams is survived by his wife and two small children. The
Kerry campaign expressed regret at the incident and claimed that critics of
the shooting had links to the Bush campaign. Kerry himself noted that Adams
was a contributor to the Bush campaign.

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Nope. Don't see it happening. Presidential candidates have just too tough a
time getting elected if their bodyguards go around shooting people at
random.

"Big John" wrote in message
...
C.J.

Hoax, Hoax, Hoax

Just called long distance and talked to secretary of Marynoll R.C
Club. As of yesterday (Labor day) nothing like posted has happened.

"Marynoll"? What's that?

In any case, pretty much the rest of us were able to figure out that CJ's
post was not intended to be a real Associated Press report. He wrote it
himself, as a parody.


Some people seems to have more time to waste than smarts.

Indeed.

Guess they like to cry wolf.

Yeah, like accusing someone of intentionally trying to mislead others, when
they obviously did not?

Pete

"Big John" wrote in message
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C.J.

Hoax, Hoax, Hoax

Just called long distance and talked to secretary of Marynoll R.C
Club. As of yesterday (Labor day) nothing like posted has happened.


Uh, John? I wrote it myself ... it was meant to be satirical. I thought it
was rather obvious.

Marymoor Park (not Marynoll) is a real park near Microsoft headquarters in
Redmond. It has a model airplane field which has an interesting history. The
runway was originally in another location, but a bald eagle nested in the
vicinity and environmentalists demanded that the runway be closed or moved
(preferably closed). The club moved the runway to its present location and
the eagle promptly moved his nest in order to stay close to the field (if
you know eagles, an eagle moving his nest is a big deal, so he must have
really wanted to stay close to the runway). Club members theorize that the
eagle just likes to watch R.C. airplanes, perhaps because there are a number
of people who fly gliders there. The gliders might make it easy for the
eagle to find thermals. Others think the eagle just wants to keep a close
eye on what he may consider to be potential competitors or even prey, or
maybe he just likes the company.