BOHICA! Weiner's Bill to Restrict GA

Bryan Martin wrote:

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It's true that most religions
have adopted the concept of marriage and tacked on their various religious
trappings and rites and ceremonies, but the core concept of marriage is a
social convention regarding the care and raising of children. All of the
tax breaks, insurance benefits and other various benefits associated with
marriage exist for the purpose of easing the burden of raising children.

Ideally, this would have been true. If so, though, multiple marriages would
permitted. In fact, there's a fair chance that they'd be encouraged given
the greater redundancy involved in having more "parents".

[This is something of which I'm very aware when I'm flying, now that I'm a
parent myself.]

- Andrew

Larry Dighera wrote:



Are you referring to this kind of rhetoric?


Drivel snipped.

Would you be referring to the "evidence" that is right now making CBS
News look like the National Enquirer? Wouldn't you love to be a bug on
the wall of some CBS staff meetings today? Fer Christ sakes they used
Microsoft Word or similar and a current generation printer. Real
professionals there at CBS.

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Larry Dighera wrote:



Are you referring to this kind of rhetoric?


Drivel snipped.

Would you be referring to the "evidence" that is right now making CBS
News look like the National Enquirer? Wouldn't you love to be a bug on
the wall of some CBS staff meetings today? Fer Christ sakes they used
Microsoft Word or similar and a current generation printer. Real
professionals there at CBS.

Not so fast:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm

Am I the only one who finds it curious that people were challenging the
authenticity of these documents almost from the very moment they were
released?

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the
public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the
candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the
result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed
by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred
years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from
bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from
courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to
selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage. "

Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the Athenian
Democracy.



I'd say we're about at the complacent stage.....



jf

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...

Unfortunately, our Constitution is not self-limiting. That is, if we
pass
an amendment which makes the US a theocracy, a theocracy it will be.

The only real protection we have is that the threshold for passing an
amendment is set relatively high.


Doesn't matter. We can just ignore the Constitution or declare it to mean
something other than what it clearly states.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
...
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from
the
public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the
candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the
result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed
by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred
years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from
bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from
courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to
selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage. "

Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the Athenian
Democracy.



I'd say we're about at the complacent stage.....

I'd vote for apathy.




jf

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...

Unfortunately, our Constitution is not self-limiting. That is, if we
pass
an amendment which makes the US a theocracy, a theocracy it will be.

The only real protection we have is that the threshold for passing an
amendment is set relatively high.


Doesn't matter. We can just ignore the Constitution or declare it to
mean
something other than what it clearly states.

Jeff Franks wrote:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the
public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the
candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the
result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed
by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred
years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from
bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from
courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to
selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage. "

Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the Athenian
Democracy.

Snopes (the Urban Legend site) lists this as probably a fictitious
quote. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp for details.

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
...

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from

the

public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the
candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the
result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed
by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred
years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from
bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from
courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to
selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage. "

Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the Athenian
Democracy.



I'd say we're about at the complacent stage.....


I'd vote for apathy.


Apathy was killed by the Disco Fever in the 70's.

Did you not hear the wailing and nashing of teeth when they cut
welfare/job training to TWO YEARS. Poor seniors will all starve to
death if we dare cut into social security (ignoring the fact that
there's no way we'll be able to keep paying for it). And what are we
going to do if the FEDERAL government doesn't send money to teach little
Johny how to read?

Sorry. We're way into the dependancy zone, and with all the people
willing to give up every basic civil right to win some protection from
'terrorist' and 'drugs', I'd say we're falling over into the bondage region.


--
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
"Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
alleviated by information and experience."
Veeduber

In rec.aviation.homebuilt Bryan Martin wrote:

The entire concept of marriage was created for the primary purpose of
defining the legal and social responsibilities associated with the care and
raising of children. All the other the other trappings of marriage are
secondary to this primary function.

Ah. So those hetrosexual couples who can't/won't have children need to
turn in their licenses?

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message et...

"W P Dixon" wrote in message ...
Does anyone else see a pattern
with the Democratic Party.
Seems they preach and preach about freedom, but always do their best to
take it away from us against The Constitution. It's frustrating!



Stop with this garbage about the Democratic party. Those wanting to take our freedoms and everything else from us
come from both parties so cut the crap and be prepared to defend those rights from assault no matter which party they
come from.



I saw this on a bumper sticker:

Under the Republicans, man exploits man. Under the Democrats, it is just the opposite.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message . net...
"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Does anyone else see a pattern
with the Democratic Party.
Seems they preach and preach about freedom, but always do their best to
take it away from us against The Constitution. It's frustrating!



Stop with this garbage about the Democratic party. Those wanting to take
our freedoms and everything else from us come from both parties so cut the
crap and be prepared to defend those rights from assault no matter which
party they come from.

Problem is that the Dems are constantly fighting so hard to try to
remove from us one of the most important means by which we can defend
our rights. And yes, I *AM* referring to the RKBA.