Got my BFR ahead of the TSA rule

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Suppose the government were to ban government-certified high-school
teachers from privately teaching dangerous subjects such as chemistry
or driver ed to students who are pursuing a government certification
(such as a high-school GED or a driver's license), unless the government
approves those students first.


THe case here is that the GOVERNMENT is controlling someone from using a
GOVERNMENT issued certificate to teach someone something that will lead to
a GOVERNMENT issued certificate.
Gig

Yes, and that is the case in my analogy as well. A driver's license and a
GED are government-issued certificates.

--Gary

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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YOu act as if having the "People" do the government's job for them is a
new idea the TSA just came up with.

Why would you say such a silly thing? Does the fact that there is precedent
somehow make it okay? And what in the world did I write that makes you
think I'm unaware of any precedent?

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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Take the fight to the terrorist's backyard.... Of wait that's what W did.

No. He took the fight to the terrorist's neighbor's backyard.

How would you like it if your neighbor was operating a meth lab, and as a
consequence the Drug War cops busted down your door and shot you?

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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We go to there house with a GOVERNMENT owned aircraft and bomb them with a
GOVERNMENT owned bomb.


Take the fight to the terrorist's backyard.... Of wait that's what W did.

Except he got the address wrong.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Suppose the government were to ban government-certified high-school
teachers from privately teaching dangerous subjects such as chemistry
or driver ed to students who are pursuing a government certification
(such as a high-school GED or a driver's license), unless the government
approves those students first.


THe case here is that the GOVERNMENT is controlling someone from using a
GOVERNMENT issued certificate to teach someone something that will lead
to a GOVERNMENT issued certificate.
Gig

Yes, and that is the case in my analogy as well. A driver's license and a
GED are government-issued certificates.

--Gary


Did the government issue the certificate to teach you to drive or teach for
the GED? If they did they can take it away.

Gig

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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Take the fight to the terrorist's backyard.... Of wait that's what W did.

No. He took the fight to the terrorist's neighbor's backyard.

How would you like it if your neighbor was operating a meth lab, and as a
consequence the Drug War cops busted down your door and shot you?


Every country over there with the (probably temporary) exception of Saudi,
Kuwait and Baharan are fair game as far as I'm concerned. And Saudi is
pushing it.

Every country over there with the (probably temporary) exception of Saudi,
Kuwait and Baharan are fair game as far as I'm concerned.

You mean, every country =except= the one where the 9/11 terrorists came from?

Jose

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Suppose the government were to ban government-certified high-school
teachers from privately teaching dangerous subjects such as chemistry
or driver ed to students who are pursuing a government certification
(such as a high-school GED or a driver's license), unless the
government approves those students first.


THe case here is that the GOVERNMENT is controlling someone from using a
GOVERNMENT issued certificate to teach someone something that will lead
to a GOVERNMENT issued certificate.
Gig

Yes, and that is the case in my analogy as well. A driver's license and a
GED are government-issued certificates.

--Gary


Did the government issue the certificate to teach you to drive or teach
for the GED? If they did they can take it away.

Wait, perhaps I misunderstood you earlier. Is it the case that you're
agreeing that I'm describing analogous restrictions; but you're saying
that those restrictions wouldn't frighten you either?

And no, the fact that the government issues a certificate to you does not
necessarily give them the right to take it away, or even the power to do so
(although that power is certainly growing). It depends on whether they can
establish a good reason for doing so.

And we're not even talking about merely taking away a certficate. The TSA
has the power to impose a fine of $10,000 per violation if a CFI imparts
knowledge without the government's permission. Thus, CFIs who insist on
ignoring the regulation could be subject to having their homes and life
savings confiscated as retaliation. Imagine if that were to happen to
chemistry teachers who engage in unauthorized spreading of knowledge to GED
students.

--Gary

A number of would be terrorists are from the Northern part of my home
state... I wouldn't suggest bombing Razorback Stadium either. And for the
record it is pretty bad form to edit out a sentence just to make you
response cleaner.

Gig



"Jose" wrote in message
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Every country over there with the (probably temporary) exception of
Saudi, Kuwait and Baharan are fair game as far as I'm concerned.

You mean, every country =except= the one where the 9/11 terrorists came
from?

Jose

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Suppose the government were to ban government-certified high-school
teachers from privately teaching dangerous subjects such as
chemistry or driver ed to students who are pursuing a government
certification (such as a high-school GED or a driver's license),
unless the government approves those students first.


THe case here is that the GOVERNMENT is controlling someone from using
a GOVERNMENT issued certificate to teach someone something that will
lead to a GOVERNMENT issued certificate.
Gig

Yes, and that is the case in my analogy as well. A driver's license and
a GED are government-issued certificates.

--Gary


Did the government issue the certificate to teach you to drive or teach
for the GED? If they did they can take it away.

Wait, perhaps I misunderstood you earlier. Is it the case that you're
agreeing that I'm describing analogous restrictions; but you're saying
that those restrictions wouldn't frighten you either?

And no, the fact that the government issues a certificate to you does not
necessarily give them the right to take it away, or even the power to do
so (although that power is certainly growing). It depends on whether they
can establish a good reason for doing so.

My certificate says, "Has been found to be properly qualified to exercise
the PRIVILEGES of:"

I signed it. So, I accepted the PRIVILEGES part of it. PRIVILEGES can be
taken away by the grantor. When they start messing with RIGHTS I'm right
there with you.


And we're not even talking about merely taking away a certficate. The TSA
has the power to impose a fine of $10,000 per violation if a CFI imparts
knowledge without the government's permission. Thus, CFIs who insist on
ignoring the regulation could be subject to having their homes and life
savings confiscated as retaliation. Imagine if that were to happen to
chemistry teachers who engage in unauthorized spreading of knowledge to
GED students.

--Gary

What if that same CFI insists on ignoring FAA regulations that go with the
certificate? Do you think the FAA should say, "No problem. Go ahead a SOLO
that 5 year old."

If you don't like the regulation scream and yell and get it changed. But you
are going to have to scream and yell to your congress critter. Doing it here
isn't going to do any good.

Or if you really beleive that this regulation is unconstitutional sue the
TSA.