Talk About A Rude Company,

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message

CJ, "NW", and I all fly in roughly the same area. There are numerous
well-qualified schools and instructors here who are perfectly willing to
train students in actual conditions.

Right across the river from NW, I trained in and then passed my exam in IMC.

Piece of cake.

-c

Oh, yeah...and if you have time to burn and still want to save money, check
out the aviation program at Mt Hood Community College. You'd still fly
locally--I still recommend Gorge Winds over the other FBO--but MHCC has an
instrument simulator as well that is $50/hr with instruction.

Having said that, I never used the sim. Now I'm looking at extending my
financial debt to pay for my commercial training. :

-c

That's a fair statement that I didn't consider because of my own
experience.

It largely depends on what the student's experience level is. When I
started my IFR training, I had around 200 hours of flight time, mostly
PIC, mostly Cross Country. When I sat down with my instructor and the
syllabus, the first two flights took us through something like Lesson #22
because controlling the plane to IFR PTS tolerances was not an issue.

However, someone who has 75 hours of flight experience of which 65 hours
were training for his PPL is probably not going to be able to start with
the IFR training, and would probably not be a good candidate for
significant flight in the soup. (Flight through some a layer of Scattered
Cumulus might not be a bad thing even at that experience level though.)



Journeyman wrote in
:

In article , Judah wrote:

I could be wrong, but I suspect that most CFIIs prefer to give their
IFR students SOME actual before the training is over. I know several
of the instructors that I have worked with in the past believed
strongly that the sensation of actual is unique for someone who has
sat behind foggles for all of his training, and prefer to be in the
right seat the first time it happens to a student.

I've talked to CFIs who moved to Seattle specifically to get IMC time
for themselves. Of course they'll train in IMC.

OTOH, I'm not sure how eager a CFI would be taking someone up IMC
during the first, oh, 1/3 of the training, where you're just doing
basic attitude flying by instruments.

I remember days early on my IFR training, where we'd file to VFR on
top, get through the cloud layer, do the maneuvers, then shoot an
instrument approach back to base.


Morris

"gatt" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message

Good flight instructors are as picky about their students as good
students
are picky of their flight instructors. If a student gives me the creeps,
is
rude, or has an attitude problem, he can take his business elsewhere.

It's a good idea to actually meet a potential customer before you pass
judgements on him.

Absolutely. Otherwise how would you know what kind of a guy he is?

Just a thought to pass on to anyone who thinks one customer doesn't mean
anything:

Source: White House Office of Consumer Affairs.
· For every customer who bothers to complain, there are 26 others who remain
silent.
· The average “wronged” customer will tell 8 to 16 people.
· 91% of unhappy customers will never purchase services from you again.
· It costs about fives times as much to attract a new customer as it costs
to keep an old one.
· Bottom Line – For every complaint, there are about 250 more customers with
problems or potential customers who hear bad things about you.

FWIW. We found this to be true in our business. We lived by it.

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.