Flying Slow

"Jim Burns" wrote in message ...
Jay has a mpg on his site of a SuperCub landing extremely short. It's worth
a look.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...perCubLand.mpg
Jim


Does that Cub have drooped ailerons?

Jay has a mpg on his site of a SuperCub landing extremely short. It's worth
a look.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...perCubLand.mpg
Jim

wrote in message
oups.com...
Z
Think about it....the airplane cares not about the wind...only how fast
its going thru the air! If you have the aircraft slowed to say 40 IAS
regardless of how you arrived at that steady speed, and you have a 40kt
wind blowing, you can literally hover over one spot. If you continue to
descend using power for your altitude control, you should be able to
maneuver the aircraft to the desired touchdown spot, reduce the power
and touchdown with no forward roll or drama.
How else can you make a really REALLY short field landing unless a wind
is blowing?
I enjoy flying a 180 slip to a touchdown on a spot from abeam in the
pattern. Lots of fun and good practice. I get a lot of satisfaction
doing it in a Stearman in particular.
I've won a lot of wagers doing the no hands landings usually in the
C-172 with judicious use of power and trim for pitch, and of course
rudder for directional. That too is rather simple once you have been in
the airplane to see how it's done.
Thanks and Cheers
Ol Shy & Bashful

Hmmm...

I cam confirm, today, 2500 ft, OAT was -10C, pwr on, 20 deg
flap, stall was just under 40knts indicated.

Tanks (stnd) were full 1/2 hr before, I was alone (155lbs)

Was practising slow flight figure eight's with the stall horn
blaring.

Found myself in "reverse control" region...

Ever try that?

Dave


On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:07:20 GMT, "Colin W Kingsbury"
wrote:

"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
On 14 Jan 2005 21:31:49 -0800, wrote:

What is fun is using that same set of conditions, and landing with
virtually zero ground roll. I've won more than a few beers that I could
land and stop short within the wingspan of the airplane (C150-172).
Selway Kid

Care to elaborate? I've not pushed that far into the envelop,
especially close to the ground, and would think a 150 wouldn't have
enough power to hang on the prop without a high descent rate.


My CFI's done this in my 172 which probably has a power/weight ratio close
to the 150's. It's about the difference between MCA and wind speed. A 172
with two people and no bags can probably stall power-on around 40kts. I
don't know the speed exactly but it is quite slow. If the wind is blowing
30kts you can put it down on the ground at less than 15mph groundspeed. Then
stand on the brakes and turn off at the runway entrance, for a landing roll
of about 100'. With higher windspeeds you could do it in less.

My current instructor is kind of like your friend- thousands of hours in
172s and flies them like he's part bird. It is a beautiful thing to behold.

-cwk.

On 15 Jan 2005 11:45:57 -0800, wrote:

Z
Think about it....
Yep, that didn't happen before the post.


the airplane cares not about the wind...only how fast
its going thru the air! If you have the aircraft slowed to say 40 IAS
regardless of how you arrived at that steady speed, and you have a 40kt
wind blowing, you can literally hover over one spot. If you continue to
descend using power for your altitude control, you should be able to
maneuver the aircraft to the desired touchdown spot, reduce the power
and touchdown with no forward roll or drama.
Understood. I've gone backwards on a good windy day before, so I
should've known better.

How else can you make a really REALLY short field landing unless a wind
is blowing?

You can't.

Thanks for the patience.
z

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:07:20 GMT, "Colin W Kingsbury"
wrote:

My current instructor is kind of like your friend- thousands of hours in
172s and flies them like he's part bird. It is a beautiful thing to behold.


Agreed. Having someone like that to watch, is a great experience.

z

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:31:42 GMT, zatatime wrote:

asked me where I wanted the plane, and flew - in the
slip, and I swear below stall speed

Nice story. Yesterday I flew the Cub after a four-week layoff
(weather) so worked on t.o. & landings. For some reason I was always
high / close-in on final, so I did a lot of slipping.

Indeed, I had the feeling that I controlled the plane in all three
dimensions, and could have planted it anywhere within a 200-foot
square at the south end of the runway. And I was starting from say 600
feet.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:02:39 -0500, gregg wrote:

So I must need more info about this gyro limitation to truly understand
it....What conditions/gyro/airplane etc. should one avoid doing spins to
prevent gyro problems?

I don't know the answer, but I can confirm it's a practice. Three
years ago I went out to Chandler AZ for spin training. I wanted to do
it in one of their PA-18s, rather than the Great Lakes that they
normally use for aerobatic work, but they refused on the grounds that
the Super Cubs had gyros.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

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I do that a lot. I have a Tripacer and it flies slow really well. I can pin
the airspeed indicator and still be in very controllable flight. I like to
do that on my motorcycle, too. In fact, there are slow races on motorcycles
where the LAST one over the finish line without touching their feet is the
winner. These are much more difficult than the fast races. Anybody can go
fast, and anybody can fly fast (up to a point). I also like to go out on
fairly windy days and get faced into the wind, turn on the GPS and see how
low a ground speed I can get. I've gotten into the low 30's, but I know I
can do better.

mike regish

wrote in message
oups.com...
Have you ever really taken your aircraft to the bottom edges of its
flight ability and airspeed, and flown it with any degree of precision
and of more than just a few moments/minutes? Are you comfortable doing
it on the edge or nibble of a stall? Can you do it while holding
altitude and desired headings within reasonable limits - depending on
your experience?

Yep. My Tripacer.

mike regish

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...

.... and have you ever done it in an airplane without a stall warning
indicator or an airspeed indicator that drops to 0 before your wing quits
flying?

Jim

"Jim Burns" wrote in message ...

Does that Cub have drooped ailerons?

It has drooped wingtips and regular flaps. Notice how he dumps the flaps
just before touchdown.

Jim



Good thing he didn't grab the switch! :-)