A Scary Prospect -- What to do?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:BSuUd.70922$tl3.52178@attbi_s02...
Mary and I have tried very hard to treat flying as an uncommon -- but
perfectly normal -- family activity, and that's all my kids have ever
known.
....
Do you guys let your kids fly your plane?

Yeah...but my "kid" is 23 on the 19th of this month.

Matt B.

Let's see, you have the basics of a flight data recorder already...
GPS will log the flight track and total time, allowing you to calculate
average speed.
EDM-700 graphic engine monitor allows you to download the previous
flight(s) engine operation data allowing you to determine exceedences
and engine start/stops.
What are you missing"
A remotely mounted digital video recorder with audio input from the
intercom, that begins recording when the master is switched on.
What are you worried about?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:BSuUd.70922$tl3.52178@attbi_s02...
Mary and I have tried very hard to treat flying as an uncommon -- but
perfectly normal -- family activity, and that's all my kids have ever
known.

Hey, here's another idea- find an aerobatic instructor who'll give him a
good workout in a Champ. You're never going to shut off the thrill-seeking
portion of his brain completely but you can try to provide a structured
outlet for it. It'll make a better airman of him and teach him what the
edges of the envelope really look like.

-cwk.

Actually, that's what I did with my kids when it came to driving. Our
daughter, who was the wild one in the family, was driving like a maniac and
wouldn't listen to anyone, including her brothers, about slowing down. I
eventually decided that if she wouldn't drive responsibly, at least I should
get her some real skills so that she was less likely to kill herself or
someone else. I took her up to Lime Rock Raceway and she took the Skip
Barber advanced driving course. All day learning how to spin out a car, get
maximum braking without ABS ("threshold braking"), getting absolutely
everything out of a car when you need it to get out of trouble, and how to
recover from unusual attitudes (like sideways on dry pavement). She had a
great time, and actually began to drive much more responsibly after that.
The best $500 I ever spent. I was so impressed I took both her brothers to
the same course. They have each said that the skills they learned have
enabled them to get out of really bad situations on several occasions.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Colin W Kingsbury" wrote in message
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Hey, here's another idea- find an aerobatic instructor who'll give him a
good workout in a Champ. You're never going to shut off the thrill-seeking
portion of his brain completely but you can try to provide a structured
outlet for it. It'll make a better airman of him and teach him what the
edges of the envelope really look like.

-cwk.

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:31:45 -0500, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote:

I took her up to Lime Rock Raceway and she took the Skip
Barber advanced driving course.

I never had the money for such a course, but when I was a fresh faced
driver, I took the family wagon out one night during a slippery
snowstorm and practiced skids and skid recovery. It was instructive
to learn that when you stomp on the brakes and lock up the wheels,
steering input quits working. I would center myself on the road and
stomp on the brakes, then I discovered that I could (and did) spin the
steering wheel from lock to opposite lock with no change in direction
of the car. But if I lifted off the brakes while the wheel was locked
to one side, the car would instantly regain steering and lurch towards
the curb. Very instructive.

I was in no danger of hitting anything because I did not do this with
cars around and the streets were pretty wide and I did not need to go
very fast to skid. The lessons I learned that night have stayed with
me for 43 years. A locked up tire has no traction, nor can it be
steered. That's why ABS works, it prevents total lockup.

It was very smart of you to treat them to the Skip Barber course.

Corky Scott

Static friction vice dynamic friction

Corky Scott wrote:
I never had the money for such a course, but when I was a fresh faced
driver, I took the family wagon out one night during a slippery
snowstorm and practiced skids and skid recovery. It was instructive
to learn that when you stomp on the brakes and lock up the wheels,
steering input quits working. I would center myself on the road and
stomp on the brakes, then I discovered that I could (and did) spin the
steering wheel from lock to opposite lock with no change in direction
of the car. But if I lifted off the brakes while the wheel was locked
to one side, the car would instantly regain steering and lurch towards
the curb. Very instructive.
I was in no danger of hitting anything because I did not do this with
cars around and the streets were pretty wide and I did not need to go
very fast to skid. The lessons I learned that night have stayed with
me for 43 years. A locked up tire has no traction, nor can it be
steered. That's why ABS works, it prevents total lockup.
It was very smart of you to treat them to the Skip Barber course.

"Corky Scott" wrote

I never had the money for such a course, but when I was a fresh faced
driver, I took the family wagon out one night during a slippery
snowstorm and practiced skids and skid recovery.

My father did the same with me, and I did the same with my two children.
Some thing are difficult to learn, without those slippery parking lots.
--
Jim in NC

("Morgans" wrote)
I never had the money for such a course, but when I was a fresh faced
driver, I took the family wagon out one night during a slippery
snowstorm and practiced skids and skid recovery.

My father did the same with me, and I did the same with my two children.
Some thing are difficult to learn, without those slippery parking lots.


And two generations of teenage learners have omitted mentioning, to the
owner of the family car, the part about sliding sideways onto "the dry
patch." BTDT...


Montblack

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:52:44 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Corky Scott" wrote

I never had the money for such a course, but when I was a fresh faced
driver, I took the family wagon out one night during a slippery
snowstorm and practiced skids and skid recovery.

My father did the same with me, and I did the same with my two children.
Some thing are difficult to learn, without those slippery parking lots.

Never had a learners permit, never took driver's training (wasn't
available anyway), and had a full license when I was 14. Parallel
parking was no problem after learning to back wagons into the barn.
Stick shift...No one had heard of an automatic back then.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:55:45 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Hmmm... Contributing to the delinquency of a minor, named in a
paternity case... Any port in a storm...

Man, what a machine for going on a date! Far more impressive than a
convertible and above the sports car on the testosterone meter.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Do you guys let your kids fly your plane?