Class B bust my fault or the controllers ?

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Guillermo wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
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Uh, If you are on an IFR flight plan, you don't need to hear "cleared
for Class B". At least that is always the way it has worked for me.


If you are in IFR clearance you only got to distinguinsh two classes of
airspace: controlled and uncontrolled. You don't need to worry about
the
classes of controlled airspace.

Well, you do have to worry about equipage to go above FL 240 (DME) and
above
290 (RVSM).

I'm not planning on going above FL240 in the C172RG that I fly.
I wish I were flying something that could go that high up

What is RVSM?

Guillermo wrote:

wrote in message ...


Guillermo wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
oups.com...
Uh, If you are on an IFR flight plan, you don't need to hear "cleared
for Class B". At least that is always the way it has worked for me.


If you are in IFR clearance you only got to distinguinsh two classes of
airspace: controlled and uncontrolled. You don't need to worry about
the
classes of controlled airspace.

Well, you do have to worry about equipage to go above FL 240 (DME) and
above
290 (RVSM).

I'm not planning on going above FL240 in the C172RG that I fly.
I wish I were flying something that could go that high up

What is RVSM?

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect in the U.S., Mexico
and Canada this past January 20th, where the former 2,000 feet of vertical
separation above flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you have to
have to have additional approval to operate up there.

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Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect in the U.S.,
Mexico
and Canada this past January 20th, where the former 2,000 feet of vertical
separation above flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you have
to
have to have additional approval to operate up there.


Not above FL290, between FL290 and FL410.

ok, so then I'll take the C172RG to FL420 and I'll be OK with no RVSM

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect in the U.S.,
Mexico
and Canada this past January 20th, where the former 2,000 feet of
vertical
separation above flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you
have
to
have to have additional approval to operate up there.


Not above FL290, between FL290 and FL410.

"Guillermo" wrote in message
...

ok, so then I'll take the C172RG to FL420 and I'll be OK with no RVSM


Only if you're VFR. If you're IFR you'll have to take the C172RG to FL430.
RVSM ends at FL410 so 2000 feet vertical separation is required for all IFR
aircraft regardless of RVSM capability.

"Guillermo" writes:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
wrote

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect
in the U.S., Mexico and Canada this past January 20th,
where the former 2,000 feet of vertical separation above
flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you have
to have additional approval to operate up there.

Not above FL290, between FL290 and FL410.

ok, so then I'll take the C172RG to FL420 and I'll be OK
with no RVSM

But then you have to keep your eyes open for low-flying SR-71s!
I believe they're a tad faster than your 172.

Strange limits. You can be cleared to FL410 and above but
how do you get there without the RVSM and DME?

"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message
...
"Guillermo" writes:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
wrote

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect
in the U.S., Mexico and Canada this past January 20th,
where the former 2,000 feet of vertical separation above
flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you have
to have additional approval to operate up there.

Not above FL290, between FL290 and FL410.

ok, so then I'll take the C172RG to FL420 and I'll be OK
with no RVSM

But then you have to keep your eyes open for low-flying SR-71s!
I believe they're a tad faster than your 172.

Strange limits. You can be cleared to FL410 and above but
how do you get there without the RVSM and DME?

By climbing through all the altitudes below your clearance altitude.

Brad Zeigler wrote:

"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message
...
"Guillermo" writes:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
wrote

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect
in the U.S., Mexico and Canada this past January 20th,
where the former 2,000 feet of vertical separation above
flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you have
to have additional approval to operate up there.

Not above FL290, between FL290 and FL410.

ok, so then I'll take the C172RG to FL420 and I'll be OK
with no RVSM

But then you have to keep your eyes open for low-flying SR-71s!
I believe they're a tad faster than your 172.

Strange limits. You can be cleared to FL410 and above but
how do you get there without the RVSM and DME?

By climbing through all the altitudes below your clearance altitude.

But, if you are not RVSM compliant, you can't even climb or descend
through the RVSM altitudes unless ATC gives you a dispensation.

In article , wrote:


Brad Zeigler wrote:

"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message
...
"Guillermo" writes:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
wrote

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum. It went into effect
in the U.S., Mexico and Canada this past January 20th,
where the former 2,000 feet of vertical separation above
flight level 290 was reduced to 1,000 feet, and you have
to have additional approval to operate up there.

Not above FL290, between FL290 and FL410.

ok, so then I'll take the C172RG to FL420 and I'll be OK
with no RVSM

But then you have to keep your eyes open for low-flying SR-71s!
I believe they're a tad faster than your 172.

Strange limits. You can be cleared to FL410 and above but
how do you get there without the RVSM and DME?

By climbing through all the altitudes below your clearance altitude.

But, if you are not RVSM compliant, you can't even climb or descend
through the RVSM altitudes unless ATC gives you a dispensation.


Get NASA to give you a lift on one of their shuttle-carrier 747's then
drop you once you're up there. At least that takes care of the
climbing part; I guess you still need to figure out the descending
part.

But, if you are not RVSM compliant, you can't even climb or descend
through the RVSM altitudes unless ATC gives you a dispensation.

.... or you go out over the Pacific ocean. Or is this global?

Jose
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