Touch and Goes versus Full Stop Taxi Backs

john smith wrote:
As I understand it, with a tailwheel, you cannot count a touch-and-go as a
landing, anyway, for the purpose of logging (currency).... or is that just
in Canada?

Day landings may be touch and go, night landings must be full stop.

Is that in Canada? In the U.S., only full stop landings count for currency in
tailwheel aircraft. Three in the last 90 days to carry passengers. Of course,
T&Gs do count as landings; just not for currency.

George Patterson
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Boeing stops by here regularly with all the new planes....737's, 767's,
777's, 787's, etc. They do downwind ILS's(15 knot minimum tailwind) and
do touch and goes back to more ILS's. They do this for hours at a time.


I saw an AWACS 707 (don't know the military designation) doing touch and
go's while driving through Belgium. I was surprised as I thought the cost
of such activity would relegate it to the simulator. He went around at
least twice while in my view, I even got the "go" on film.
--
Frank....H

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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john smith wrote:
As I understand it, with a tailwheel, you cannot count a touch-and-go as
a landing, anyway, for the purpose of logging (currency).... or is that
just in Canada?

Day landings may be touch and go, night landings must be full stop.

Is that in Canada? In the U.S., only full stop landings count for currency
in tailwheel aircraft. Three in the last 90 days to carry passengers. Of
course, T&Gs do count as landings; just not for currency.


Yes. FAR 61.57 (a) (ii). I don't know where John got his info.

FAR 61.57 must have been what I was thinking of in my OP.

Because I have tried to find a similar tailwheel rule in the official
Canadian rules, and have been unable to do so.

So, Canadians, are we supposed to log tail-wheel Touch-and-goes as landings,
or NOT???

Peter Duniho wrote:
What's the difference between "currency" and "recent experience"?

It's my Monday... you're taxing my brain. I can't remember the
specific differences (if any) but, for some reason I think I was meaning
currency wrt your BFR and recent experience to the 90-day/3 landings
rule(s). In any event, I'll go look it up.

I know this to be fact for student pilot night landings


Technically, that's the aeronautical experience requirements for the
*Private Pilot* certificate. Done, of course, while one is a Student Pilot,
a Recreational Pilot, or a Sport Pilot.

But you knew that, right.



Of course!

Chris

As I understand it, with a tailwheel, you cannot count a touch-and-go as
a landing, anyway, for the purpose of logging (currency).... or is that
just in Canada?

john smith wrote:
Day landings may be touch and go, night landings must be full stop.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
Is that in Canada? In the U.S., only full stop landings count for currency
in tailwheel aircraft. Three in the last 90 days to carry passengers. Of
course, T&Gs do count as landings; just not for currency.

"Icebound" wrote:
Yes. FAR 61.57 (a) (ii). I don't know where John got his info.
FAR 61.57 must have been what I was thinking of in my OP.

Mea Culpa! I was going from memory and not checking the book.

"Icebound" wrote in message
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Because I have tried to find a similar tailwheel rule in the official
Canadian rules, and have been unable to do so.

So, Canadians, are we supposed to log tail-wheel Touch-and-goes as
landings, or NOT???

Are you Canadian? I don't know what the answer is there. My limited
experience has been that their aviation regulations are written much more
simply and cleanly than our FARs, and so if there is such a requirement, it
shouldn't be hard to find.

If you can't find it, it may be that it's not there. Especially if you HAVE
found the other passenger currency rules.

For what it's worth, in the US you may log whatever you want. The only
requirement would be that you only *count* the full-stop landings for the
purpose of your 90-day passenger currency in a tailwheel airplane. As long
as you can distinguish full-stop from touch & go in the logbook, you can log
both.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Icebound" wrote in message
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[...]
Because I have tried to find a similar tailwheel rule in the official
Canadian rules, and have been unable to do so.

So, Canadians, are we supposed to log tail-wheel Touch-and-goes as
landings, or NOT???

Are you Canadian?

Yes, which is why I am looking for the correct answer, because my instructor
(perhaps incorrectly, perhaps thinking FAA), mentioned the tailwheel
touch-and-go issue.

I don't know what the answer is there. My limited experience has been
that their aviation regulations are written much more simply and cleanly
than our FARs, and so if there is such a requirement, it shouldn't be hard
to find.

If you can't find it, it may be that it's not there. Especially if you
HAVE found the other passenger currency rules.

Yes... surprisingly, neither "touch and go" nor "tailwheel" is mentioned in
that section. From its definition in the regs, "Landing" would appear to
include T&G, although not explicitly mentioned.

So on the surface of it, as the Canadian regs read, T & G in a taildragger
could be counted toward currency, I guess.


For what it's worth, in the US you may log whatever you want. The only
requirement would be that you only *count* the full-stop ...

Yes, I mis-spoke when I said "log" but I meant "count".

Thanks for your comments. I decided that as I transition to complex and
high performance planes, I will probably do more full stop taxi backs. But
when I'm flying 172s or 152s, I'll probably do mostly touch and goes. I
like to fly touch and goes because I get the mental boost I seek from flying
about ten touch and goes, or 5 instrument approaches. I can get fly touch
and goes alone, but need a CFII for the instrument approaches at my stage of
instrument training. If the mission is mental boost and keeping current, I
fulfill the mission most easily and quickly with touch and goes. Kevin
Dunlevy


"Kevin Dunlevy" wrote in message
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A CFI I had lunch with last week suggested I should always do full stop
taxi
backs instead of touch and goes when practicing landings. I've frequently
done touch and goes for about an hour when I wanted to do some quick
flying,
but I tried his suggestion. I also ran into an old AOPA Flight Training
magazine that had an article suggesting full stop taxi backs instead of
touch and goes. I generally keep the pattern in tight and can do ten touch
and goes in about .8 or .9 Hobbs depending on the amount of other traffic.
I
prefer towered airports for this practice, because there is another set of
eyes looking for aircraft.

Should I force myself to always do full stop taxi backs, even thought
other
pilots and tower personnel seem to prefer that I do touch and goes? Kevin
Dunlevy

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:30:17 -0500, Frank wrote:

I saw an AWACS 707 (don't know the military designation) doing touch and
go's while driving through Belgium. I was surprised as I thought the cost
of such activity would relegate it to the simulator.

I live across Great Bay from the former Pease AFB, which still houses
a NH National Guard KC-135 tanker squadron. On a summer's day--they
particularly like Sunday at 4 p.m., when you are most likely to have
folks over for tea--they'll do T&Gs for an hour or two. It's a long
pattern, so they don't get many in, ten maybe?

(At least I assume it's T&G. They could I suppose taxi off the runway
and substutite another pilot, or even another aircraft: "Okay, your
turn!" Heck, they could have ten pilots in the plane, all lined up
waiting their turn.)



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Cub Driver wrote:

(At least I assume it's T&G. They could I suppose taxi off the runway
and substutite another pilot, or even another aircraft: "Okay, your
turn!" Heck, they could have ten pilots in the plane, all lined up
waiting their turn.)

I seem to remember hearing the tower talk about the T&Gs the last
time I flew by Pease (last year). (And there would be no need for a full
stop in order to change pilots - unless the USAF has a procedural
requirement for that when below 10000').

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule