Landing Light SOP

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:47:07 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"W P Dixon" wrote

I hate those car lights!,
Oh they'd be great on my car while driving, but being in a car heading
into them I hate it! Blinds the crap out of me in my wife's low sitting
car.
Doesn't bother me as bad in my truck.

I know what you mean. IMHO, they ought to be banned, except for use on high
beam, with a regular light for low beam.

I hate 'em with a passion. When I meet a car with those on at night I
darn near have to pull over and they claim they are easier on the eyes
of oncoming drivers. Maybe young ones, but the majority of drivers
are now in the middle age and older class.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

I don't know if there are any stats on crashes being caused by blindness
from oncoming cars with HID's, or if there ever has been a crashed cause by
HID blindness. There have been times when I felt unsafe, because of being
temporarily blinded by those things on two lane roads.

Yeah I know. Other than the sales reciept, there is no paperwork for an
incandescent lamp.

"Private" wrote in message
news:I609f.361999$tl2.177786@pd7tw3no...

There is a current thread, subject "Landing Lights at NAPA", on
rec.aviation.owning that discusses this subject extensively.

Happy landings,

Help me here -- I can't find any reference in this thread to airlines
using their landing lights en route.

When most of us are enroute, we are where the airlines are landing or
taking off.

Jose
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I agree! I set the mirror to night and have a hard time seeing anything in
the rear.

The lights on in the day thing is good, but I question the high beams. I
also wonder about the legality of having them on all the time. I know the
cops will ticket the Good Samaritans who flash their lights to warn others
of speed traps, based upon some motor vehicle law about failing to dim
lights for oncoming traffic. How would that not apply to motorcycles?

Les
"Roger" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:39:35 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Blanche" wrote

But why on earth must the motorcyclists keep the day lights on HIGH?
I can see them just fine with regular lights. The HIGH beams not only
force me to hit the night option on my rearview mirror (reducing the
chance to see cars without any lights in the mirror) but are incredibly
aggravating.

Enhancing visibility is a good idea. Blinding me is not.

Are you talking about the high lights being a problem during the day, or
at
night?

Both!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

The lights on in the day thing is good

....unless you see a deer in the road.
Hit the brakes - hit the horn - turn off the lights.
Oh - can't do that - blasted car "does what's best for me".

Jose
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wrote:
On 29 Oct 2005 10:09:54 -0700, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

When ever possible I try to follow the same SOP as the BIG BOYS.
With that being said what is the SOP for airliners when it comes to
turning on the landing light. Is it altitude based, distance etc...

I don't know what's standard for airline pilots, but I was taught to
turn on the landing light(s) during my pre-landing check-list, which
takes place when I'm ten miles out.

Most airlines turn their lights on for takeoff and turn them off climbing
through 10,000 feet. Descending for landing they turn them on at 10,000
feet and turn them off after landing. Nav lights are on all the time when
power is available. The anti-collision light is turned on prior to engine
start and is turned off after parking at the end of the flight. .

--

Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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Darrell S wrote:
wrote:
On 29 Oct 2005 10:09:54 -0700, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

When ever possible I try to follow the same SOP as the BIG BOYS.
With that being said what is the SOP for airliners when it comes to
turning on the landing light. Is it altitude based, distance etc...

I don't know what's standard for airline pilots, but I was taught to
turn on the landing light(s) during my pre-landing check-list, which
takes place when I'm ten miles out.

Most airlines turn their lights on for takeoff and turn them off
climbing through 10,000 feet. Descending for landing they turn them
on at 10,000 feet and turn them off after landing. Nav lights are on
all the time when power is available. The anti-collision light is
turned on prior to engine start and is turned off after parking at
the end of the flight. .

Note: for clarification that first sentence probably should have said
"landing lights" rather than just lights. Since small prop aircraft
frequently don't go above 10,000', it would probably be wise to turn the
landing lights off at cruise altitude and turn them back on at start of
descent.

--

Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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Help me here. Where in my post do you find the word "enroute"?

Bob

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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To go back to the beginning of the thread then, Jay, why do the airlines
bother?

Help me here -- I can't find any reference in this thread to airlines
using their landing lights en route.

While landing and taking off, yes -- but I thought we were discussing
whether landing lights actually enhanced visibility outside of the
airport environment?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Bob,
A single light will enhance visibility. Many lights will actually cause
the vehicle to blend in during the day.
Michelle

Bob Gardner wrote:

Before I had a car with automatic daytime running lights (05 Corolla), I
routinely turned on my headlights during the day. DRLs are mandatory in
Canada and many other countries. Motorcyclists keep their headlights on
during the day to enhance visibility. The "camouflage" theory is faulty.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...


"c. The FAA has a voluntary pilot safety program, Operation Lights On, to
enhance the see-and-avoid concept.


SNIP

Thanks, Bob.

I wonder, though -- do landing lights in the daytime really do that
much for you? I seem to recall reading that bright lights coming at
you during daylight hours actually tends to camouflage what is behind
them.

(Groping back into the distant recesses of my history minor here...)
Didn't the British actually experiment with using extremely bright
lights to hide their aircraft during the day?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"

Airlines in general: lights on below 10,000 feet. Easy since they have
other things to do at that altitude as well.
Michelle

Jay Honeck wrote:

To go back to the beginning of the thread then, Jay, why do the airlines
bother?



Help me here -- I can't find any reference in this thread to airlines
using their landing lights en route.

While landing and taking off, yes -- but I thought we were discussing
whether landing lights actually enhanced visibility outside of the
airport environment?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"