MDW Overrun - SWA

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
k.net...
Landing in BOS in crummy conditions with a tailwind may be OK due to longer runways. Landing with a 9 knot tailwind
in a blizard with fair to poor braking on a 6,500' runway was obviously not a good idea.

Mike Schumann


What did the performance numbers indicate for the conditions the pilot landed in? What was the final approach speed
calculated to? What distance was required to stop? Don't know the numbers? You cannot take the stance that this was
obviously not a good idea...

The numbers said the required runway was longer than the
available based on pilot skill, technique, weather
conditions and runway conditions, the proof came to rest 600
feet past the end of the runway.

The answers to your valid questions will be researched and
discovered in the next few weeks and months. I'd be very
interested in the cockpit voice recorder, did the crew
discuss and accurately state the available runway landing
length or did they look at the over-all length of concrete?


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

".Blueskies." wrote in
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| "Mike Schumann" wrote
in message
| k.net...
| Landing in BOS in crummy conditions with a tailwind may
be OK due to longer runways. Landing with a 9 knot tailwind
| in a blizard with fair to poor braking on a 6,500'
runway was obviously not a good idea.
|
| Mike Schumann
|
|
| What did the performance numbers indicate for the
conditions the pilot landed in? What was the final approach
speed
| calculated to? What distance was required to stop? Don't
know the numbers? You cannot take the stance that this was
| obviously not a good idea...
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote:

I stand by my opinion, the pilot made a stupid decision, for
what ever reason.

Odds are that you are correct. People may say "What until the
official report is in" but common sense suggests pilot error. It
happens and you don't have to be a NTSB official to make an educated
guess.

Ron Lee

We do need to learn from other's mistakes, because we all
make enough of our own.

Thanks for the support.
Jim


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"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote:
|
| I stand by my opinion, the pilot made a stupid decision,
for
| what ever reason.
|
| Odds are that you are correct. People may say "What until
the
| official report is in" but common sense suggests pilot
error. It
| happens and you don't have to be a NTSB official to make
an educated
| guess.
|
| Ron Lee

"Morgans" wrote:

I stand by my opinion, the pilot made a stupid decision, for
what ever reason.

I'll bet a contributing factor will be the incorrectly reported braking
conditions.
--
Jim in NC

Assuming that it was incorrect. You are flying into an airport with
significant snowfall. Wouldn't most people assume that the runway is
snow covered and hence degraded traction?

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
"Morgans" wrote:

I stand by my opinion, the pilot made a stupid decision, for
what ever reason.

I'll bet a contributing factor will be the incorrectly reported braking
conditions.
--
Jim in NC


Assuming that it was incorrect. You are flying into an airport with
significant snowfall. Wouldn't most people assume that the runway is
snow covered and hence degraded traction?

Nope. I used to land in snow all the time and the runway was usually
clear and braking action good.

"Jim Macklin" wrote

I stand by my opinion, the pilot made a stupid decision, for
what ever reason.

I'll bet a contributing factor will be the incorrectly reported braking
conditions.
--
Jim in NC

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:tNImf.18788$QW2.10032@dukeread08...
The numbers said the required runway was longer than the
available based on pilot skill, technique, weather
conditions and runway conditions, the proof came to rest 600
feet past the end of the runway.

The answers to your valid questions will be researched and
discovered in the next few weeks and months. I'd be very
interested in the cockpit voice recorder, did the crew
discuss and accurately state the available runway landing
length or did they look at the over-all length of concrete?


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


I'm sure dispatch did their job assisting the PIC and flight crew about the conditions. From what I read they were
holding for a period of time before the approach, and the planes before them made it in without incident. I'm willing to
do the $10 bet the crew has been in and out of Midway many, many times, so they surely knew the available runway
distances. SWA is a pretty good airline, not a fly by night 135 charter operation looking to get someone to their resort
vacation....

Ron Lee wrote:
I stand by my opinion, the pilot made a stupid decision, for
what ever reason.

Odds are that you are correct. People may say "What until the
official report is in" but common sense suggests pilot error. It
happens and you don't have to be a NTSB official to make an educated
guess.


You can be absolutely certain that the NTSB will find "pilot error". They
always do. It's the contributing factors which will be interesting.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Nope. In my case, they found the root cause to be "improper maintenance",
and all this without a copy of the maintenance logbooks or any other
maintenance records.

Jim



"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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You can be absolutely certain that the NTSB will find "pilot error". They
always do. It's the contributing factors which will be interesting.