Would this plane have flown?

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"NW_PILOT" wrote

I think it would have done OK!

Yeah, I really trust your judgment.
--
Jim in NC

A lot of people have trusted my judgment all the airplanes I have delivered
have all made their destination.



Steven L. Rhine
CP ASEL & AMEL Instrument Airplane
CFI (Student)

not having made arrangements/contacts
with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of problem, etc

Having a local mechanic work on your plane only solves 1/2 the problem
because the plane is again illegal as soon as you get back to the
states since you would need another log entry from a U.S. mechanic. I
think its better to skip the Mexican mechanic and just have the A&P do
the work and don't let the Mexicans find out.

-Robert

"Big John" wrote in message
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Montblack

Nope.

1. Couldn't see any popped rivets in photo's.
2. Gap between aileron and wing was equal full length of aileron in
photo's.
3. I'd have got in cockpit and ran ailerons full right and left to
feel for any drag.
4. Then would have taken a hammer and stone or block of wood and taken
most of the 'curl' out of aileron.
5. Got in and fired up and landed next in the States to clear customs.
7. Then flew to home base to get repaired.

As I said prior. I would not have tried to do rolls and loops on way
home but birds have a lot of strength beyond plackard limits so lots
of safety built in even damaged birds.

And a good day to you and all.

Big John
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I am seeing what some A&P sign off as airworthy enough for a ferry permit!!
Wow!

Steven L. Rhine
CP ASEL & AMEL Instrument Airplane
CFI (Student)

My primary concern would be flutter, and then insurance coverage of the 'field repair' or flying it without a ferry
permit....


"Big John" wrote in message ...
Montblack

Nope.

1. Couldn't see any popped rivets in photo's.
2. Gap between aileron and wing was equal full length of aileron in
photo's.
3. I'd have got in cockpit and ran ailerons full right and left to
feel for any drag.
4. Then would have taken a hammer and stone or block of wood and taken
most of the 'curl' out of aileron.
5. Got in and fired up and landed next in the States to clear customs.
7. Then flew to home base to get repaired.

As I said prior. I would not have tried to do rolls and loops on way
home but birds have a lot of strength beyond plackard limits so lots
of safety built in even damaged birds.

And a good day to you and all.

Big John
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:13:51 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Big John" wrote)
[snip]
Enough said. Mark me in the column as flying home.


Would you have removed the damaged aileron before flight?


Montblack

Nobody can really tell just by looking at the picture. I would want a
look at the aileron attach points and control linkages - but that would
be a flashlight-and-mirror deal. If they were OK, I would cheerfully
sign the ferry premit and fly it.

The damage to the aileron is superficial. Stay in the green arc and it
will be OK. Do I know that beyond a shadow of a doubt? No. But as an
A&P and engineer, I consider it so close to certainty that I would be
willing to take the risk.

Michael

One thing to watch out for on seemingly minor damage near the outboard
edges of wings is a bent spar. Think of how much torque on the inboard
part of the wing that an impact to even make a small dent would make.
Needless to say, kinked spars are vastly weaker than unkinked spars.

For sure. At OSH '04, our tent -- with 1 inch aluminum poles -- blew over
onto the wing of Atlas, our '74 Piper Pathfinder.

Those very stout tent poles bent like pipe cleaners over the trailing edge
of our right aileron like butter -- with NO damage to the aileron.

If a one-inch-thick pole can break across the trailing edge of an aileron
WITHOUT inflicting damage, just imagine the impact it took to inflict that
kind of damage to your aileron. I'd check the wing spar and attach points
very carefully.

(Incidentally, our '75 Warrior had very similar hangar rash on the aileron
when we bought the plane in '98. Our A&P signed it off at the pre-buy
inspection, and we flew it that way for several months, until we could
afford to have it rebuilt. Never had a problem...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:W9mUf.840188$x96.700068@attbi_s72...
For sure. At OSH '04, our tent -- with 1 inch aluminum poles -- blew
over onto the wing of Atlas, our '74 Piper Pathfinder.

Those very stout tent poles [...]

I thought you said they were "1 inch aluminum poles".

Not to discount your point about the potential of harm to the interior wing
structure (which is valid IMHO), but I'll bet you could take one of those 1
inch aluminum poles and easily bend it over your knee.

Pete

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some way
of calling for help if they get stuck

What would you suggest? Satellite phones are pretty much the only solution
that I see and they are quite expensive. They are also a relatively recent
invention (especially with respect to consumers like us), and somehow people
managed to get by without them prior to their availability.

, not having made arrangements/contacts with a local mechanic in case there
were some kind of problem, etc.

This is an even more bizarre thought, IMHO. Do you arrange for a local
mechanic at every location to which you fly? I sure don't. I doubt many
pilots do.

People who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a problem
ought to be able to afford a little planning ahead for eventualities just
like this one. Academically speaking, of course.

"People who can afford"? My understanding is that Robert wasn't the one
footing the bill.

Pete

Blueskies

I would not expect flutter from the curl. It should just load the
control system worst case.

On the possibility of flutter, I'd just slow down and fly at a slower
air speed below the flutter range. In my Mooney I'd probably cruise at
100-110 mph vs the normal 140-160 mph if I experienced any flutter.

I'm not faulting what the pilot did. If he was not comfortable with
what I'm saying I'd do then his actions were excellent for him (and he
got the bird and himself home safely).

If in doubt, is pays to be doubly safe rather than sticking your neck
out.

Big John
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:24:05 GMT, ".Blueskies."
wrote:

My primary concern would be flutter, and then insurance coverage of the 'field repair' or flying it without a ferry
permit....


"Big John" wrote in message ...
Montblack

Nope.

1. Couldn't see any popped rivets in photo's.
2. Gap between aileron and wing was equal full length of aileron in
photo's.
3. I'd have got in cockpit and ran ailerons full right and left to
feel for any drag.
4. Then would have taken a hammer and stone or block of wood and taken
most of the 'curl' out of aileron.
5. Got in and fired up and landed next in the States to clear customs.
7. Then flew to home base to get repaired.

As I said prior. I would not have tried to do rolls and loops on way
home but birds have a lot of strength beyond plackard limits so lots
of safety built in even damaged birds.

And a good day to you and all.

Big John
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:13:51 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Big John" wrote)
[snip]
Enough said. Mark me in the column as flying home.


Would you have removed the damaged aileron before flight?


Montblack

I don't think you would want to EVER disconnect a control surface. Do
others know more about this?