Buzzed?

In article
outaviation.com,
says...

School busses are necessary.
Flying around in a cessna for fun is not.



School busses are not "necessary" - but they are statistically
inevitable! For those involved they are far more fun than flying around in a
Cessna.

Marty Shapiro writes:
Richard wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2006-04-17, Mike Granby wrote:
So I'm flying IFR down V441 in Florida today, when I hear the
controller who's working me call traffic to a VFR airplane he's
providing with advisories.

Totally unrelated - but about 2 years ago, a friend of mine was flying
home (in a club C172) when the military controller he was getting radar
service off advised him of 'fast traffic' (a Tornado) that was passing
by. My friend made a sarcastic comment to the controller about the fast
traffic (I think the Tornado in question was flying relatively slowly).

A few minutes later, the C172 started rumbling. My friend started
looking around to see what could be making that sound when the planform
of a Tornado appeared in the windscreen, afterburners fully open!

That taught him about making sarcastic comments about fast military jets
to military controllers :-)


Reminds me of a story I read about the folks having their groundspeeds
checked by ATC as a bragging right...until the SR-71 at altitude
requested the same thing. Heh.

That's from the book "Sled Driver" by Brian Shul. He recounts a
succession of requests for ground speed readouts progressing from a Cessna
to a Twin Beech to an F-18 and finally the "Sled".

At the other extreme, I heard a story about a flight
from the Minneapolis/St. Paul area heading west IFR
one night for somewhere in the Dakotas. They'd been
in the air for about half an hour when the controller
informed them that their groundspeed was about 10 MPH
and asked their intentions. The pilot decided make
the flight another day.

[Wouldn't the MTI suppress the target? But let's not
let facts interfere with the telling of a good story.]

On 2006-04-19, Everett M. Greene wrote:
At the other extreme, I heard a story about a flight
from the Minneapolis/St. Paul area heading west IFR
one night for somewhere in the Dakotas.
[...]
[Wouldn't the MTI suppress the target? But let's not
let facts interfere with the telling of a good story.]

Presumably not because they were not a passive radar target, but had a
Mode-C squawk - he was IFR after all. (If ATC radar supressed slow
targets with a Mode-C squawk, they'd have difficulty handling
helicopters)

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"Greg Farris" wrote in message
...
What amazes me is that people never tire of lamenting how bad it "could
have
been".
....
No kidding

"If the playing field had been swarming with kids that day..." Of course
no
one stops to think that in the mind of a pilot, looking for a spot to put
it,
"a field swarming with kids" does not have the same value as " a large,
empty
field".

See below for a first hand narration covering exactly that situation (It
wasn't me, BTW)

Another really funny (as in funny stupid) about the article that Mr. Loone
quoted was the claim that the wind had prevented the aircraft from
climbing - WTF, Over? Was the reporter on drugs or just plain stupid? fwiw,
per the FAA accident report:

WEATHER: HIE 1552Z AUTO 23008KT 200V270 10SM BKN029 BKN044 17/08 A2937

That's not even enough wind to fly a kite.

Anyhow, as promised, what another pilot did when faced with an engine
failure on a school day (when all else fails, merge):

Begin Quote:

I was talking to Detroit Metro tower, circling over a densely populated site
8 miles east of Detroit Metro (DTW) airport in a borrowed airplane when the
engine started to run rough. After application of carburetor heat, the
engine ran slightly better, then rough again. Full throttle and mixture
were applied to no effect. It was at that time that I announced to the
Metro tower cab that I was not able to maintain altitude and was going to
have to "set it down". They gave me the wind data and said they would
inform emergency services about the situation. I was only 1500 feet above
the ground and because the Cessna 152 has at a glide ratio of 7:1 which
yields 2 miles in range and 90 seconds to touchdown although the engine was
intermittently producing some power which helped to extend my glide
somewhat. In my view to the South West were several options: 1st a school
yard, too small and what about the kids? 2nd and further away was an
industrial area with a snow covered field. Snow covered fields may look good
from afar but what lurks beneath? Nonetheless that was my goal with I-75
below me along the way i traveled Southwest bound with the vehicular
traffic, and into the wind. Aware that I wouldn't make the 2nd option I
concentrated on I-75. Over the freeway I settled earthward, lower and lower
until I became aware of huge power transmission lines paralleling my flight
path, the tops of which were now at my altitude, and 50 yards to my right.
Also prominent in view were the tops of cars and trucks but more
importantly, open areas of concrete looming closer below. Since my airspeed
was roughly equal to the speed of the moving traffic I was able to adjust my
relative position for and aft pushing and pulling on the yoke to drop into
an opening between the vehicles and eventually settled down onto the
pavement in the flair between the cars. I was careful to let the Cessna
roll as far as I could so that the traffic behind could avoid hitting me.
The Engine had stopped some time ago.

I got lucky because there was not a scratch on the aircraft, nor any fender
benders in any of the 6 miles of traffic which had eventually accumulated
behind me.

After getting out of the aircraft the first eye contact I made with and
individual was a woman passing by in a sport utility vehicle flipping me
off! To her I say, in the words of Steve Martin, "Well Excuse Me!!!"

End Quote


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by "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com Apr 19, 2006
at 06:24 PM


"Greg Farris" farris@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:e24pib$2et4$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What amazes me is that people never tire of lamenting how bad it "could

have
been".
....
No kidding

"If the playing field had been swarming with kids that day..." Of
course

no
one stops to think that in the mind of a pilot, looking for a spot to
put
it,
"a field swarming with kids" does not have the same value as " a large,

empty
field".

See below for a first hand narration covering exactly that situation (It
wasn't me, BTW)

Another really funny (as in funny stupid) about the article that Mr.
Loone

quoted was the claim that the wind had prevented the aircraft from
climbing - WTF, Over? Was the reporter on drugs or just plain stupid?
fwiw,
...



Actually, the reporter was quoting the pilot who claimed the little plane
was just overcome by the wind. Therefore, the pilot would be the stupid
one.

Hmm.

I was "intercepted" Tuesday around Fort Wayne.

I was IFR, and got a traffic alert for a VFR target indicating 500 feet
higher. I got a glimpse of him as he passed behind me.

Then the controller told me that he was at my 7 o'clock, turning to
follow me. I looked around and saw his nose pointing right at me.

He contined to chase me - in my blind spot, above my back window.
Jerk.

I descended, and finally caught sight of him again just ahead and over
my right wing. I couldn't see his registration number.

He finally turned right and away. I was 99% sure he had me in sight
the whole time, but that's 1 percent short of acceptable.

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote

He contined to chase me - in my blind spot, above my back window.
Jerk.

The sad part is that he probably didn't see a thing wrong with what he was
doing. After all, he was just seeing whose plane was faster, right? ;-(
--
Jim in NC

Ross Richardson wrote:

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude.

I'm not sympathetic to the buzzer, but how can an airport enact an ordinance
regarding aircraft in the air? I could see how they (or a local government
that owns the 'port) could pass ordinances affecting the runway and surface,
but I'm confused how they could attempt to regulate airplanes already flying.

"John" wrote in message ...
Ross Richardson wrote:

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude.

I'm not sympathetic to the buzzer, but how can an airport enact an
ordinance
regarding aircraft in the air? I could see how they (or a local
government
that owns the 'port) could pass ordinances affecting the runway and
surface,
but I'm confused how they could attempt to regulate airplanes already
flying.

Let me turn the question around. Where did you get the idea that you don't
have to obey local laws whenever your feet are not touching the ground?

In a previous article, "Ted" said:
"John" wrote in message ...
Ross Richardson wrote:
regarding aircraft in the air? I could see how they (or a local
government that owns the 'port) could pass ordinances affecting the
runway and surface, but I'm confused how they could attempt to
regulate airplanes already flying.

Let me turn the question around. Where did you get the idea that you don't
have to obey local laws whenever your feet are not touching the ground?

From the federal government, who gave exclusive regulatory power over
aircraft in the air to the FAA. No local law applies to aircraft in the
air, period.


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