United 93 -- see it!

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jon Kraus wrote:
One thing that is for sure is that airline passengers will NEVER
let some ragheads take over a plane ever again....

Jon, I've never been a Muslim nor a Sikh. I've been a Baptist, a
Mormon and a Buddhist. You calling terrorists "ragheads" offended
me and probably a lot of others.

Yup. Sadly but predictably, many people like Jon exploit 9/11 as an excuse
to indulge in ethnic hatred.

--Gary

Jim Logajan wrote:

Everyone has a right to expressing opinions founded on ignorance, and you
have exercised that right.

My advice is next time the opportunity occurs, try saying "terrorist" or
"religious extremist" rather than "raghead".

That is all I was trying to say. Thank you for being able to express
it better than I did.

The Monk

Jon Kraus wrote:
Did I hit a nerve Mr. Monk? I see from your recent posts that you
communicate with the Arabs too.. Now it all makes sense... Get over it
dude... I could care less if you are offended... This is USENET and I
can give whatever opinion I like. If you don't like my rants then plonk
me in your killfile... I care not... Your empty threats scare me none...
Touch my plane and I'll kill you (Frances from the movie Stripes)... Now
get back in your rental 152 and get the hell out of here...

Below is my real name:
Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ


Flyingmonk wrote:
Jon Kraus wrote:

One thing that is for sure is that airline passengers will NEVER
let some ragheads take over a plane ever again....


Jon, I've never been a Muslim nor a Sikh. I've been a Baptist, a
Mormon and a Buddhist. You calling terrorists "ragheads" offended
me and probably a lot of others.

Back in the late 80's, I had two roommates, one was an Iraqi and the
other was an Iranian. They had friends visiting all the time and
you'd be surprised how many of them were blond-headed and blue-eyed
and speaking fluently both in English and in their native language. Oh
yes, they were clean cut and shaven.

When you are only thinking that your enemies are "ragheads", you
have already missed 30-40% of your potential threat. Yeah, and don't
forget people like Timothy McVeigh.

Another thing, Jon, if I was to come out the way you often do, I would
not advertise my tail number and where I park my plane. Just a
thought.

The Monk


Yes you did touch a nerve Jon. You assuming that people who wear cloth
on their heads are all terrorists. You missed the point that I was
trying to tell you that I know of many arabs that look nothing like
arabs. I tried to tell you that not all your enemies will wear a
cloths on their heads to tell you that they are your enemies.

You assuming that all people that wear cloths on their heads are
terrorist is just the same as the terrorists assuming that all
Westerners are what they think we are.

I also tried to tell you that this is a www (WORLD wide web) that when
you express your opinion like that and have your name and tail number
and where you parked your plane was a bad idea and you took that as a
threat. Jon I don't threat.

I think I touch a nerve with you huh? Well all I can say is that you
are quick on the draw Jon.

The Monk

In article .com,
"Flyingmonk" wrote:

You assuming that all people that wear cloths on their heads are
terrorist is just the same as the terrorists assuming that all
Westerners are what they think we are.

"just the same"? hardly.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Exploit huh... Not really... Those that know me (yourself not included)
would tell you that I'm not a hating kind of guy.. 9/11 changed the way
that I look at some things in the world. One thing I have developed is a
hatred for the terrorists, Islamo Fascist's, insurgents, ragheads or
whatever you refer to them as that are trying to kill me, and those that
I love. As far as ethnic hatred goes... I saw plenty of that in the form
of dancing in the streets on the evening of 9/11.

Jon

Gary Drescher wrote:

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jon Kraus wrote:

One thing that is for sure is that airline passengers will NEVER
let some ragheads take over a plane ever again....

Jon, I've never been a Muslim nor a Sikh. I've been a Baptist, a
Mormon and a Buddhist. You calling terrorists "ragheads" offended
me and probably a lot of others.


Yup. Sadly but predictably, many people like Jon exploit 9/11 as an excuse
to indulge in ethnic hatred.

--Gary

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
. ..
9/11 changed the way that I look at some things in the world. One thing I
have developed is a hatred for the terrorists, Islamo Fascist's,
insurgents, ragheads or whatever you refer to them as that are trying to
kill me, and those that I love.

What's reprehensible is your inability or refusal to draw all-important
distinctions--between terrorists, who deliberately kill civilians;
insurgents, who fight an occupying army, as you or I would do if someone
occupied the US; and "ragheads", a derogatory term for an entire ethnic
group (a group that includes some of your fellow pilots here and their
friends).

No one is objecting to your enmity toward terrorists. The objection is to
your hatred of people who merely bear a superficial resemblance to
terrorists. In your absurd followup to Flyingmonk, you even went so far as
to denounce him for merely *talking* to Arabs (or as you put it, for talking
to "the Arabs", as though they were monolithic and interchangeable).

As far as ethnic hatred goes... I saw plenty of that in the form of
dancing in the streets on the evening of 9/11.

And so your reaction now is to endorse that sort of thinking? They persuaded
you that they were essentially right?

--Gary

You voted for John Kerry didn't ya...



Gary Drescher wrote:
"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
. ..

9/11 changed the way that I look at some things in the world. One thing I
have developed is a hatred for the terrorists, Islamo Fascist's,
insurgents, ragheads or whatever you refer to them as that are trying to
kill me, and those that I love.


What's reprehensible is your inability or refusal to draw all-important
distinctions--between terrorists, who deliberately kill civilians;
insurgents, who fight an occupying army, as you or I would do if someone
occupied the US; and "ragheads", a derogatory term for an entire ethnic
group (a group that includes some of your fellow pilots here and their
friends).

No one is objecting to your enmity toward terrorists. The objection is to
your hatred of people who merely bear a superficial resemblance to
terrorists. In your absurd followup to Flyingmonk, you even went so far as
to denounce him for merely *talking* to Arabs (or as you put it, for talking
to "the Arabs", as though they were monolithic and interchangeable).


As far as ethnic hatred goes... I saw plenty of that in the form of
dancing in the streets on the evening of 9/11.


And so your reaction now is to endorse that sort of thinking? They persuaded
you that they were essentially right?

--Gary

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
.. .
You voted for John Kerry didn't ya...

Actually, George Bush too has repeatedly denounced the bigoted, anti-Arab
reaction to 9/11 that you've embraced.

But I understand what you're getting at with that question. There are two
basic approaches to dealing with a conflict:

* One approach is to care about the distinction between truth and falsehood,
right and wrong, innocence and guilt--and accordingly, to engage in
reasearch, reasoning, and debate in order to decide what stance to take.

* The other approach is to choose what team you're on and then cite your
team affiliation as a blanket justification for anything you do or say or
believe, automatically rejecting everything and everyone that you perceive
as belonging to a different team.

The second approach is profoundly ignorant and dangerous, but it requires a
lot less work than the first approach.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
. ..

9/11 changed the way that I look at some things in the world. One thing I
have developed is a hatred for the terrorists, Islamo Fascist's,
insurgents, ragheads or whatever you refer to them as that are trying to
kill me, and those that I love.


What's reprehensible is your inability or refusal to draw all-important
distinctions--between terrorists, who deliberately kill civilians;
insurgents, who fight an occupying army, as you or I would do if someone
occupied the US; and "ragheads", a derogatory term for an entire ethnic
group (a group that includes some of your fellow pilots here and their
friends).

No one is objecting to your enmity toward terrorists. The objection is to
your hatred of people who merely bear a superficial resemblance to
terrorists. In your absurd followup to Flyingmonk, you even went so far
as to denounce him for merely *talking* to Arabs (or as you put it, for
talking to "the Arabs", as though they were monolithic and
interchangeable).


As far as ethnic hatred goes... I saw plenty of that in the form of
dancing in the streets on the evening of 9/11.


And so your reaction now is to endorse that sort of thinking? They
persuaded you that they were essentially right?

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
.. .
You voted for John Kerry didn't ya...

Actually, George Bush too has repeatedly denounced the bigoted, anti-Arab
reaction to 9/11 that you've embraced.

But I understand what you're getting at with that question. There are two
basic approaches to dealing with a conflict:

* One approach is to care about the distinction between truth and falsehood,
right and wrong, innocence and guilt--and accordingly, to engage in
reasearch, reasoning, and debate in order to decide what stance to take.

* The other approach is to choose what team you're on and then cite your
team affiliation as a blanket justification for anything you do or say or
believe, automatically rejecting everything and everyone that you perceive
as belonging to a different team.

The second approach is profoundly ignorant and dangerous, but it requires a
lot less work than the first approach.

--Gary

First approach: One shot, one kill.

Second approach, spray and pray.

First approach is what a man does, second approach is what a boy does.

The Monk
Gary Drescher wrote:
"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
. ..

9/11 changed the way that I look at some things in the world. One thing I
have developed is a hatred for the terrorists, Islamo Fascist's,
insurgents, ragheads or whatever you refer to them as that are trying to
kill me, and those that I love.


What's reprehensible is your inability or refusal to draw all-important
distinctions--between terrorists, who deliberately kill civilians;
insurgents, who fight an occupying army, as you or I would do if someone
occupied the US; and "ragheads", a derogatory term for an entire ethnic
group (a group that includes some of your fellow pilots here and their
friends).

No one is objecting to your enmity toward terrorists. The objection is to
your hatred of people who merely bear a superficial resemblance to
terrorists. In your absurd followup to Flyingmonk, you even went so far
as to denounce him for merely *talking* to Arabs (or as you put it, for
talking to "the Arabs", as though they were monolithic and
interchangeable).


As far as ethnic hatred goes... I saw plenty of that in the form of
dancing in the streets on the evening of 9/11.


And so your reaction now is to endorse that sort of thinking? They
persuaded you that they were essentially right?

--Gary

On Mon, 08 May 2006 14:52:46 GMT, Yeff wrote:

My guess it would be violence.

The violence in the film, both the initial take-over and when passengers
fight back, is rather brutal.

I didn't find it so, because the fast cutting blurred it. (My wife,
who is forever saying "Can I look now?" in even the mildest war movie,
had her eyes open the whole time.)

I did think, however, that someone gouged out the eyes of the junior
terrorist (the excitable lad with the red headband).


-- all the best, Dan Ford

email: usenet AT danford DOT net

Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com
In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com