Get-Home-Itis, Arrogance, or What?

The Poison Theory

The poison theory attempts to provide an explanation for why motion
sickness and cybersickness occur from an evolutionary standpoint. The
theory suggests that the ingestion of poison causes physiological
effects involving the coordination of the visual, vestibular, and
other sensory input systems. These physiological effects act as an
early warning system which enhances survival by removing the contents
of the stomach.
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For a sucessful technology, honesty must take precedence over public
relations for nature cannot be fooled.
Richard Feynman

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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In that case, the CFI would be the sole PIC, and the CFI would have to
hold an instrument rating, but would be only demonstrating IMC
operations, not actually instructing in them?

There is always a sole PIC.

That's true.

A CFI is always the PIC with a pre-PP student.

But in this case, would the "student" be able to log PIC time as is
normally authorized?

A pre-PP student can never log PIC time except when flying solo. With a PP
(or sport or recreational) license, you can log PIC time whenever you're the
sole manipulator of an aircraft for which you're rated. But you don't have
to be rated for the flight conditions; so you don't need an instrument
rating to log PIC time in IMC.

CFIs always need an instrument rating.

That's not the way I read the regulations:
§ 61.183 Eligibility requirements...
Doesn't that '_or_' in '(2)' above mean there is an alternate way to
comply with instructor requirements sans an instrument rating?

The wording of 61.183b2 is notoriously unclear. But my understanding is that
it's meant to require an instrument rating (or else equivalent ATP
privileges) for the appropriate class and category of aircraft.

--Gary

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:10:50 -0400, "Ron Snipes"
wrote:

This accident was posted on the newsgroups right after it happened. Now
published on the NTSB website, which gives us more info than the 6pm news.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family left behind, but with that
said.....How can you throw everything you learned in Flight Training about
Weather, out the window. I also considered a subject line of: Just how many
G's does it take to rip the wings off a C-150? What a shame.

Actually it's very easy.
This is a typical case of VFR into IMC the pilot panicking (the I cant
see, I can't see tells that), gets disoriented, and losing control.
After that it's only a matter of time and not much of it before
something gets broken.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let
alone
for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many
parts
of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but
impossible to become a pilot.

On the other hand, I've seen level-5 thunderstorms come through and
technically it was still VFR... Not that I would have even pulled my
airplane out of the hangar at those times...

That's kind of the reason that I haven't been that serious about getting my
instrument rating... Around here, usually if the weather is bad enough to be
IFR, I don't really want to be up in it... Sometimes we get the mild IFR
conditions where it's just low clouds and such, but it sure does seem like
everytime I get weathered out of a flight, it's not somthing I would want to
be going up in even with an instument rating...

Roy Smith wrote:
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

There is always a sole PIC. A CFI is always the PIC with a pre-PP student.
CFIs always need an instrument rating. As far as I know, there is no reason
that a CFI can't let a student manipulate the controls in IMC; the time is
logged as dual, but not for purposes of an instrument rating.


I did plenty of that as a student pilot. I knew I wanted to start on my
instrument rating right away and my instructor was happy to fly in IMC. At
the point where I was almost done with my private, we agreed that if the
weather were ever IFR on a day we had a flight secheduled, rather than
canceling, we would just go out and play in the clouds.
I still don't have an instrument rating, but I have 3 hours of actual
from my student pilot days. It's not bad experience for anyone.

Margy