Flying patterns

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:03:50 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Roger writes:

Ahhh...Think I'll pass on that one. Ever use binocs when bounding
around. A friend and I were Salmon fishing on Lake Michigan quite a
few years back This was in a 16' Aluminum boat. It was a pretty
rough day, but he wanted to take a look through the binoculars. He
lasted about 30 seconds, began to perspire and jammed the binocs back
into the case with the comment: "Boy! It wouldn't take much of that to
make a guy sick!"

The movement had not occurred to me; small planes must move a lot.
Controllers seem to always have binoculars at hand, so I thought
perhaps pilots would, too.

Even using binocs in a relatively large plane can turn those not used
to them, green in a hurry. It doesn't take much movement where you
eyes and other senses don't agree to quickly put your head in a "lunch
bag"

Most have pretty good visibility straight ahead. For many of us a lot
of pattern flying can lead to a stiff neck from looking for traffic.
Plus we learn to make slight and shallow turns (s-turns) to look for
traffic in all sectors.

Don't shallow turns cause you to stray from the pattern?

You are gently rolling into alternating left and right turns of only a
few degrees so it has little effect on your heading.

Normally it applies to every one, but it may apply in a different
manner depending on the size and speed of the aircraft.

What happens if you fail to observe noise-abatement procedures?

You could receive a fine which might be substantial.

I don't know of any, but they are widely available for less than $5.00
USD "I believe".

Not in France, I'm afraid.

They'll probably ship, but I don't know what good they'd be in that
case. :-))

You can order one along with charts from "Sporty's Pilot Shop" on
line. The online services I use require you be a paying member.

I don't have a working credit card, but I'll keep that in mind.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
It must be difficult for you.

So difficult that I'm surprised he doesn't surrender to the futility of it
all and kill himself... Hell, he's in France, so the first part should be
pretty easy for him... For the second part, well, maybe death by Camembert?

Roger (K8RI) writes:

They'll probably ship, but I don't know what good they'd be in that
case.

Research. However, I can't buy anything over the Internet because
credit cards are the only form of payment.

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Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Neil Gould writes:

You can't seriously believe that this describes the people who have
responded to your questions in this ng.

It describes those whose replies amounted to personal attacks.
Obviously, it does not describe those who provided rational answers,
but unfortunately this latter group is somewhat of a minority.

You received a "rational answer" to every question that you asked. That
should have ended your interaction for the thread. It is your persistence
that you have some knowledge that supercedes our information and
experience that gets you "personally attacked", and by my count those
responses are in the minority.

Every one of your questions has been responded to with courtesy and
facts by at least one or two people.

Yes, while being ridiculed by a dozen others.

That is not the count that I see in response to your questions. As I said,
the courteous, factual answers that you have been given should have been
sufficient to end the thread. Your decision to argue those answers is what
got you ridiculed, and not by "a dozen others".

I find it hard to believe that you don't recognize the level-headed
responses that you've received here. If anything, your claim is far
from level-headed, given the proportion of respectful, factual
responses vs. anything else, so, again, this appears as nothing more
than a troll, and having "known" you from other ngs for years, I'm
sorry to see you sink to this.

Read my posts carefully.

I have. Perhaps you should re-evaluate both your own posts and the
responses that you got carefully.

Neil

Mxsmanic schrieb:

In IFR, you don't have to look out the window for other aircraft.

Wrong.

Stefan

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
In IFR, you don't have to look out the window for other aircraft.

Usually, the controllers only separate you from other IFR aircraft. But you
can have good VMC (Visual Meteorological Conditions) visibility when flying
under IFR (Instrument Flight Rules), in which case you do have to look out
the window to avoid other (VFR) aircraft, even though you're flying IFR.

--Gary

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

How is that different from IFR?

In IFR, you don't have to look out the window for other aircraft. You
have help from controllers.

Wrong. That idea can get you killed. How did you arrive at that
information?

Neil

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

Why?

Since it requires so much effort to learn how to fly in the first
place, I prefer to learn based on the rules of the country that is the
most advanced in aviation, and that is the U.S. The 1001 exceptions
of the European tribes are just background noise.

This is a troll, and does not reflect the facts in any way.

Given how hard it seems to be to get a PPL, I'm surprised by how
incompetent some pilots apparently are. How did they ever manage to
get a license?

This is a troll, and does not reflect the facts in any way. Perhaps you
should try to qualify to take flying lessons before you make such
statements. By the time you're ready for your check ride, this notion will
be pretty much eliminated.

The numbers make it look awfully dangerous. Not so much in an empty
sky, perhaps, but when there are other aircraft around, particularly
other GA aircraft, the risk skyrockets.

This does not reflect the facts.

If you wonder why you get ridiculed by some responders, the above should
be enlightening.

Neil

Yanno Mx, maybe you should get a flight instructor to give you a lesson
in your =simulator=. You wouldn't have to actually fly, but one hour
with a real live flight instructor and your sim may help you understand
a lot, and also get you out of whatever bad habits you've picked up.
Learning to fly without an instructor, whether on a sim or in real life,
will allow you to pick up bad habits and incorrect information, and get
it ingrained before you can learn otherwise.

Give it a shot. A real instructor with your simulated airplane.

Jose
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it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Roger (K8RI) writes:

They'll probably ship, but I don't know what good they'd be in that
case.

Research. However, I can't buy anything over the Internet because
credit cards are the only form of payment.


Wrong. There are other ways to pay over the internet.

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