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  #41  
Old December 8th 06, 10:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
gatt
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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gatt writes:

Are you REALLY this interested in it?


Interested, but not in an aviation forum.


THEN STOP NITPICKING AT IT HERE AND MOVE ON. YEESH!

-c


  #42  
Old December 8th 06, 11:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
gatt
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Jose writes:

I thought he actually demonstrated it to you, rather than just told you.


It's hard to demonstrate urban legends.


It should be easy even for a chair-pilot to demonstrate urban legends:
http://www.snopes.com.

I've been pretty polite about taking your flying questions here at face
value, and have retreatedly tried to defend you from people here who
repeatedly attack you. Apologies to them for not paying attention; it's
clear now why.

Apparently this is what I get for sticking up for you. The body of people
interested in your words has just decreased by one more. Enjoy your flight
simulators.

*plonk*

-c


  #43  
Old December 9th 06, 12:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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gatt writes:

I've been pretty polite about taking your flying questions here at face
value, and have retreatedly tried to defend you from people here who
repeatedly attack you.


I've been pretty polite all my life, and I plan to stay that way.

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  #44  
Old December 9th 06, 12:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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gatt writes:

If you think it's an urban legend, than show me what you have.


The burden of proof is on the person who makes the original claim.
I'm not required to prove that there are no pink elephants.

Otherwise, as a graduate of the School of Journalism, I'll give
folks the same advice the pilots have been giving you out here;
don't stick your nose in stuff you don't know unless you've got
something to demonstrate that you do, in fact, know it.


What does journalism have to do with printing and typesetting (or
aviation, for that matter)?

I'll take an actual printing press operator's word over yours
as quickly as I'll take an pilot's. Sorry.


That is your prerogative; you need not apologize for it.

Experience and credential still mean more to me than something
you might have read on the internet.


Well, hopefully nothing will ever happen that will force you to change
your mind. It has happened to me, though, and so I'm not quite so
trusting today.

Thanks. If I need your analysis of American grammar and print history, I'll
ask for it.


I don't recall discussing grammar, but I'll be happy to give analyses
in any area that I know something about. But grammar and print don't
really belong in this group.

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  #45  
Old December 9th 06, 05:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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RomeoMike wrote:
Then you would know that periods always go inside quotation marks. :-)

Blanche wrote:

I spent too many years with Strunk & White's "Elements of Style".

*sigh*


My bad. Oddly enough, the examples in the book show the period inside
the quotes, yet the only explanation relates to the use of a comma.
I think I need to get a new copy, too. Mine is dated 1979.

  #46  
Old December 9th 06, 05:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Ron Natalie wrote:
Blanche wrote:
Alan Gerber wrote:
Bob Moore wrote:
Ron Natalie wrote
When the Smithsonian had there's in it's own temporary hangar it
looked small.
RON!! I don't believe it! "their's".....:-)
I hate spelling flames, but I guess I can handle an apostrophe flame.

It's "theirs" and "its", as in "had theirs in its own temporary hangar".


Had "its" in "its" hangar.

The Smithsonian is considered a singular entity.

Yes, I should have known better about the apostrophe use, I concede.

The Smithsonian here was used as a collective noun for the people
working there. "Theirs" would have been appropriate.

And yes, I do know when anal retentive has a hyphen.


Ah...the pronomial posessive "theirs". I had to go look that one up.
Learned something new today!


  #47  
Old December 9th 06, 06:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Blanche wrote:
RomeoMike wrote:
Then you would know that periods always go inside quotation marks. :-)

Blanche wrote:

I spent too many years with Strunk & White's "Elements of Style".

*sigh*


My bad. Oddly enough, the examples in the book show the period inside
the quotes, yet the only explanation relates to the use of a comma.
I think I need to get a new copy, too. Mine is dated 1979.


Yeh, period and comma inside the quotation mark, colon and semicolon
outside, and the question mark and exclamation mark... it varies. Go
figure! :-)
  #48  
Old December 9th 06, 06:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
karl gruber[_1_]
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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gatt writes:

I've been pretty polite about taking your flying questions here at face
value, and have retreatedly tried to defend you from people here who
repeatedly attack you.


I've been pretty polite all my life, and I plan to stay that way.



Sorry, this is an aviation newsgroup. Unless you've actually flown a real
airplane you can't know anything about "polite." Once you have taken one 15
minute lesson you will then suddenly obtain all the collective knowledge of
the "real men" pilots here.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG


  #49  
Old December 9th 06, 06:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
James Robinson
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RomeoMike wrote:

Then you would know that periods always go inside quotation marks. :-)


Not always. If the quote is a single letter or number at the end of the
sentence, then the period goes outside of the quotation marks, as in:

Mark your choice in the box with an "X".
or,
Jessica is a "10".

While the general approach in the US is to put commas or periods inside the
quotation marks, the rest of the English speaking world tends to use a more
logical approach depending on context: If the comma or period is part of
the quotation, then the punctuation is placed inside the quotation marks.
If the comma or period is not part of the quotation, then it is placed
outside the quotation marks.

The lore is that the US approach to placement of the punctuation marks had
its origins with mechanical typesetting. If a comma, or more particularly
a period, was placed outside of the quotation marks, it was more exposed.
Being relatively small, the small punctuation marks tended to break off
during the printing run. They were more protected if placed inside the
quotation marks, hence the origin of the US practice.
  #50  
Old December 9th 06, 07:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
RomeoMike
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James Robinson wrote:
RomeoMike wrote:

Then you would know that periods always go inside quotation marks. :-)


Not always. If the quote is a single letter or number at the end of the
sentence, then the period goes outside of the quotation marks, as in:

Mark your choice in the box with an "X".
or,
Jessica is a "10".

While the general approach in the US is to put commas or periods inside the
quotation marks, the rest of the English speaking world tends to use a more
logical approach depending on context: If the comma or period is part of
the quotation, then the punctuation is placed inside the quotation marks.
If the comma or period is not part of the quotation, then it is placed
outside the quotation marks.

The lore is that the US approach to placement of the punctuation marks had
its origins with mechanical typesetting. If a comma, or more particularly
a period, was placed outside of the quotation marks, it was more exposed.
Being relatively small, the small punctuation marks tended to break off
during the printing run. They were more protected if placed inside the
quotation marks, hence the origin of the US practice.


I am not an expert, but I offer:
http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/...ar/qmarks.html

If you have a reference for your "X". example, I am interested just for
my own edification.

 




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