Hillsboro Air Show

Officials have decided that the Hillsboro Air Show will NOT be cancelled due
to the Hawker Hunter accident last summer.

I am of course glad to hear this. The airshow has been going on for well
over a decade, with Intel as one of its primary sponsors. Intel built a
factory under the downwind leg of the main runway, housing developments
sprung up to support the factory...and then everybody freaked out when a
plane crashed into homes in the general vicinity of the factory... that,
again, Intel built near the airshow that Intel sponsors at the airport
that's been there since Hillsboro was a collection of meadows with an
airport in the middle of it.

http://www.katu.com/


A Google Earth point to the crashsite is at
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthrea...?Number=621393

-c

Bad zoning decision.

john smith wrote:

Bad zoning decision.

You got that right.

Nothing against the air show per se, but it's a major disaster just
waiting to happen, having an air show over a populated area that is
growing more and more dense all the time. It was okay when it began,
but times have changed. It needs to be moved.

"Spread Eagle®" wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

Bad zoning decision.

You got that right.

Nothing against the air show per se, but it's a major disaster just
waiting to happen, having an air show over a populated area that is
growing more and more dense all the time. It was okay when it began,
but times have changed. It needs to be moved.

Maybe they can move the airport and you can pay the bill for it. How's that
sound?

KEX' afternoon radio show had a listener poll yesterday. 65% or so of the
callers had said that despite the crash they plan to attend the airshow in
the future. Only something like 2% said the crash taught them how dangerous
airplanes were.

The airport was there first. The developers chose to build around it and
hope their dumbass yuppie buyers were too clueless to consider the friggin'
towered airport in their backyard. Caveat emptor. The city and people of
Beaverton decided that the good for the many was more important than the
good for a few. That's a polite way of suggesting that if you build your
house by a river you better have flood insurance.

The option is to close the airport and relocate it further somewhere out, at
the cost of tens of millions of dollars to state and federal taxpayers.
Because a handful of developers and home buyers deliberately chose to build
their house under an airport's flight pattern.


=c

gatt wrote:
"Spread Eagle®" wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

Bad zoning decision.

You got that right.

Nothing against the air show per se, but it's a major disaster just
waiting to happen, having an air show over a populated area that is
growing more and more dense all the time. It was okay when it began,
but times have changed. It needs to be moved.

Maybe they can move the airport and you can pay the bill for it. How's that
sound?

KEX' afternoon radio show had a listener poll yesterday. 65% or so of the
callers had said that despite the crash they plan to attend the airshow in
the future. Only something like 2% said the crash taught them how dangerous
airplanes were.

The airport was there first. The developers chose to build around it and
hope their dumbass yuppie buyers were too clueless to consider the friggin'
towered airport in their backyard. Caveat emptor. The city and people of
Beaverton decided that the good for the many was more important than the
good for a few. That's a polite way of suggesting that if you build your
house by a river you better have flood insurance.

The option is to close the airport and relocate it further somewhere out, at
the cost of tens of millions of dollars to state and federal taxpayers.
Because a handful of developers and home buyers deliberately chose to build
their house under an airport's flight pattern.

Doesn't matter who was there first. It's the way the area grew. And
don't forget that land use planning in Oregon for the last thirty years
has been strictly controlled thing. I remember when the Hillsboro
airport was out in the middle of nowhere. Not anymore. It's a hazard.

If you stop and think about it, the beauty of it is that financially
it's a win-win deal. The property that the airport sits on now,
situated where it is, is primo upscale suburban real estate. Promo.
It's value to investing developers is astronomical. They could option
it off and start the process of locating another location, probably
much further west along the Sunset Highway, and begin building. The
profit from the sale would pay for the property, the building of a
bigger and more modern airport, and the move to it.

On 17 Nov 2006 12:20:05 -0800, wrote:


gatt wrote:

The airport was there first. The developers chose to build around it and
hope their dumbass yuppie buyers were too clueless to consider the friggin'
towered airport in their backyard. Caveat emptor. The city and people of
Beaverton decided that the good for the many was more important than the
good for a few. That's a polite way of suggesting that if you build your
house by a river you better have flood insurance.

The option is to close the airport and relocate it further somewhere out, at
the cost of tens of millions of dollars to state and federal taxpayers.
Because a handful of developers and home buyers deliberately chose to build
their house under an airport's flight pattern.

Doesn't matter who was there first.

Oh, Shur it does!

When the airport went in, the airport developers were Aware of no
nearby conflicts with housing.

When the housing went in, the housing developers were Aware of an
airport in the vicinity, carrying with it Certain Risks, but
deliberately chose to go ahead and develop anyway, reckoning that the
risks were minor.

As they have been, over the years.

It's the way the area grew.

Doesn't change the obvious Fact of How it grew -- in the full and
certain knowledge of the Real Estate types that land closer to an
airport was cheaper, and therefore more profitable to build houses on.
It's that way in almost every metropolitan area out there.

And don't forget that land use planning in Oregon for the last thirty years
has been strictly controlled thing. I remember when the Hillsboro
airport was out in the middle of nowhere. Not anymore. It's a hazard.

It was in the middle of Nowhere, until the Real Estate Developers
moved somewhere closer to it. That was a Known Risk on their part,
and once they made that choice, they get to live with it.

Now, had they chosen instead to request a Zoning, whereby Real Estate
development would have been prohibited within a reasonable radius of
the airport, that would have been OK. But they didn't.

Choices have consequences, and once made, the consequences get to be
lived with.

If you stop and think about it, the beauty of it is that financially
it's a win-win deal. The property that the airport sits on now,
situated where it is, is primo upscale suburban real estate. Promo.

It could be, if that was its Highest and Best Use. If that is indeed
the case, then the Real Estate Developers have a simple task -- make
an offer to buy the airport and pay the costs of moving it.

D'ya figure they'll actually Do that?

It's value to investing developers is astronomical. They could option
it off and start the process of locating another location, probably
much further west along the Sunset Highway, and begin building. The
profit from the sale would pay for the property, the building of a
bigger and more modern airport, and the move to it.

All they must needs do is place a money offer on the table, and it's
open for consideration. Lowered Nose, such things have been done in
other places.

But it must be done when the airport is still fully operational, and
not only After its operations have been curtailed and its value -- and
price -- have been lowered thereby.

If this is such a great idea, then let the bidding begin!

Otherwise, the airport remains where it is.

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The option is to close the airport and relocate it further somewhere out,
at
the cost of tens of millions of dollars to state and federal taxpayers.
Because a handful of developers and home buyers deliberately chose to
build
their house under an airport's flight pattern.

Doesn't matter who was there first. It's the way the area grew.

Apparently, it does. The airshow and the airport remain, and the dumbass
California types who bought land around an airport and don't like jets can
either suck it up or move the hell out.

General Aviation: 1 NIMBY yuppies and land developers: 0

I remember when the Hillsboro airport was out in the middle of nowhere.
Not anymore. It's a hazard.

They shouldn't have built around it then. But they did. I say, we move the
airport under the condition that those dip****s pay for the relocation.
Airports are cheap, right?

If you stop and think about it, the beauty of it is that financially
it's a win-win deal.

Then we better move Portland International and Troutdale as well, because
those are in populated areas. The taxpayers will thank you, I'm sure.

The property that the airport sits on now, situated where it is, is primo
upscale suburban real estate. Promo.

Nevermind the expense of HAVING TO BUILD NEW AIRPORTS.

It's value to investing developers is astronomical.

Of course it is. Of course it is.

The profit from the sale would pay for the property, the building of a
bigger and more modern airport, and the move to it.

Well, then, all they have to do is build the airport on speculation so that
there's an airport ready to go when HIO shuts down.

Ready...go. No, seriously. Ready.....GO! What? Nobody's interested
in building a new airport so we can shut HIO down?
Or maybe that should be left to the taxpayers?

-c

"gatt" wrote:

The city and people of
Beaverton decided that the good for the many was more important than the
good for a few.

Beaverton has nothing to do with it. We don't even look alike.

gatt wrote:
Officials have decided that the Hillsboro Air Show will NOT be cancelled due
to the Hawker Hunter accident last summer.

I am of course glad to hear this. The airshow has been going on for well
over a decade, with Intel as one of its primary sponsors. Intel built a
factory under the downwind leg of the main runway, housing developments
sprung up to support the factory...and then everybody freaked out when a
plane crashed into homes in the general vicinity of the factory... that,
again, Intel built near the airshow that Intel sponsors at the airport
that's been there since Hillsboro was a collection of meadows with an
airport in the middle of it.

http://www.katu.com/


Hell, you might as well have an airshow. If you are going to allow
hobbiest Homer fly his Piper in and out of the airport, you might as
well allow a highly train fighter pilot zip around in his well
maintained jet.

lein wrote:

Hell, you might as well have an airshow. If you are going to allow
hobbiest Homer fly his Piper in and out of the airport, you might as
well allow a highly train fighter pilot zip around in his well
maintained jet.

In fact you might say it was "Hobbiest Homer" who crashed last show.
He was not officially part of the show and was only there to show off
his airplane. The only blame one can place on the air show is that it
was the show that attracted him there. There is nothing to prevent
someone with a similar aircraft from showing up at that airport any
time.