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Jim Macklin wrote:
The FAA and ATC exist to serve the military. The airlines are a justification on the budget. GA is forced to use ATC because in the past 50-60 years the FAA expanded the scope of controlled airspace to be everywhere. 25 years ago there were large areas that were uncontrolled below 14.500 feet. Your not the only one to make the argument that the FAA exists to serve the military. The last time that was factually correct was during World War II. It is all about the airlines. As to controlled airspace, what adverse impact does lowering Class E airspace below 14,500 (known at one time as the Continental Control Area) have on GA? What imposition does Class E impose upon the VFR pilot, other than to have the transponder turned on? As to IFR operations, light aircraft would be precluded from using the system without Class E airspace below 14,500. I started flying IFR in 1956. We didn't even have to have a radio to go into most towered airports then. But, the folks I flew for in the early days didn't think that was very smart so we had radios. Airways were far more limited then and direct routing off airways was usually impossible because of the lack of controlled airspace beyond the limits of the airways. We have a lot more flexible system today for IFR operations because of large areas of Class E airspace. Class B and C airspace comprises a very small percentage of the total airspace in the country. Those classes were not established to enhance IFR operations; rather, they were enacted to mitigate collision risk. Most of the world had some type of restrictive terminal control areas before the FAA went there. |
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Newps wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote: The FAA and ATC exist to serve the military. That's funny. The military couldn't care less about the FAA. Since you enjoy funny stories about the FAA ;-) here is one for you: A few years ago when El Toro Marine Air Station closed, John Wayne (Orange, County, CA KSNA) lost the eastern half of its Class C airspace. The airspace was bifurcated like that because of a giant screw up years ago. Some regional FAA grunt thought El Toro would be there forever, so they did it that way. The entire area was needed for John Wayne Airport; not so for El Toro. So, in the rucus that ensued to get the Class C back the way it was meant to be there were more than a couple of conference calls. The airspace lady in the Western Pacific Region made the following outrageous statement on a phone call with union reps, airline managers, ATC managers, and ATA folks, "The FAA is subserviant to the military. The FAA does not own any airspace. All airspace in the United States is owned by the military." |
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Mike Granby wrote:
Sam Spade wrote: I doubt AOPA's bean counters have even considered NACO chart services. Remember that any product of the federal government is free of copyright by law, and is therefore in the public domain. They'd have to spin the NACO service into a private agency if they wanted to stop other people distributing the charting data. And, you think NACO would not go private in the event ATC goes there? |
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![]() Sam Spade wrote: "The FAA is subserviant to the military. The FAA does not own any airspace. All airspace in the United States is owned by the military." That's not true either. That flies in the face of civilian control of the military. The military doesn't demand anything in a national emergency. They do what they're told, as it should be. |
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Newps wrote:
Sam Spade wrote: "The FAA is subserviant to the military. The FAA does not own any airspace. All airspace in the United States is owned by the military." That's not true either. That flies in the face of civilian control of the military. The military doesn't demand anything in a national emergency. They do what they're told, as it should be. I was passing it on to you because it is absurb; as in you will find this humorous. Gee wiz, I guess you didn't find it funndy. |
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Wichita, Kansas tower was removed from terminal building and
located in a secure building with no place to hide a bomb. Topeka, Kansas, the tower was moved into the center of the airport behind the fences. All over the country, towers are being relocated, still on the airport, but in a secure new building. "karl gruber" wrote in message ... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | All ATC facilities were moved to remote locations [as much | as possible] including airport towers. | | | OK, I'll bite. Name ONE remote tower. | | | Karl | | |
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You can fly under IFR rules in uncontrolled airspace Class
G. "Sam Spade" wrote in message ... | Jim Macklin wrote: | The FAA and ATC exist to serve the military. The airlines | are a justification on the budget. GA is forced to use ATC | because in the past 50-60 years the FAA expanded the scope | of controlled airspace to be everywhere. 25 years ago there | were large areas that were uncontrolled below 14.500 feet. | | | Your not the only one to make the argument that the FAA exists to serve | the military. The last time that was factually correct was during World | War II. | | It is all about the airlines. | | As to controlled airspace, what adverse impact does lowering Class E | airspace below 14,500 (known at one time as the Continental Control | Area) have on GA? What imposition does Class E impose upon the VFR | pilot, other than to have the transponder turned on? | | As to IFR operations, light aircraft would be precluded from using the | system without Class E airspace below 14,500. | | I started flying IFR in 1956. We didn't even have to have a radio to go | into most towered airports then. But, the folks I flew for in the early | days didn't think that was very smart so we had radios. | | Airways were far more limited then and direct routing off airways was | usually impossible because of the lack of controlled airspace beyond the | limits of the airways. We have a lot more flexible system today for IFR | operations because of large areas of Class E airspace. | | Class B and C airspace comprises a very small percentage of the total | airspace in the country. Those classes were not established to enhance | IFR operations; rather, they were enacted to mitigate collision risk. | Most of the world had some type of restrictive terminal control areas | before the FAA went there. |
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All over the country, towers are being relocated, still on
the airport, but in a secure new building. Federal construction money. PORK!!! |
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![]() Jim Macklin wrote: You can fly under IFR rules in uncontrolled airspace Class G. Sure, but nobody does because it is too impractical. |
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Towers are being built on a pretty standard schedule. We just went thru
this process here. No tower is being built simply for security reasons. Doug wrote: All over the country, towers are being relocated, still on the airport, but in a secure new building. Federal construction money. PORK!!! |
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