Spooky flights

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
We still get up and go wherever we want, whenever we want, with whomever
we want. Mary and I can hop in my plane and fly to Wyoming this
afternoon, and no laws prevent it.


What part about flying somewhere warm don't you understand?


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I dunno. I used to park right off the end of the runway at BDL. Planes would
be maybe 200' over me on final. Can't do that anymore.

mike

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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In the days when the U.S. was still a free country, I liked to go to
the airport just to watch aircraft take off and land. I even liked it
when I was very young: I would insist that my parents take me to the
noisy, open observation deck so that I could see planes take off and
land. And I liked the smell of kerosene because it reminded me of
airplanes.

I don't know what part of the country you lived in, but we still do
all of that today, right here in the USA. Any time we'd like!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"mike regish" wrote in message
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I dunno. I used to park right off the end of the runway at BDL. Planes
would be maybe 200' over me on final. Can't do that anymore.

mike

Why not?

Jay B

My $30 round trips to BID just to spend a 1/2 hour on the beach and grab a
burger are gone. That's now a real consideration at around $100. Combination
of gas prices and the push for ethanol. Both somewhat related to Iraq which,
even though it's not in reality related to 9/11, has been decreed to be.

And with my balky radio and not-always-so-great handheld, I wouldn't go near
DC. They might shoot all 1500 pounds of me out of the sky.

"Nuclear" (rather "newcular") is also in the news every friggin' day, just
like when I was a kid my kids age.

I consider those things to be very significant changes in my life. Maybe I'm
just being too damn sensitive.

mike

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I gather you don't fly around D.C. much, and it doesn't sound like you
fly commercially very often.

You know, I've heard this a lot, since 9/11, and I'm tired of it. GA
flying in the DC area (other than in the prohibited areas around the
Mall) requires an ADIZ flight plan. You make a phone call, get a
squawk code, and go.

mike regish writes:

"Nuclear" (rather "newcular") is also in the news every friggin' day, just
like when I was a kid my kids age.

Except that, when you were a kid, the threat was real.

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Unless you want to set up a picnic area, apparently.

No, that's not right, either. The reasons for the hassles setting up
a picnic area (at our airport, anyway) is that the FAA is VERY
paranoid about cities pulling a "Mayor Daley" on them, and claiming
that the airport is a "park".

This is how we lost Meigs Field in Chicago, and the FAA ain't playing
that game with anyone, now.

Thus, they simply won't even consider a "park" at an airport. You
have to call your picnic area a "viewing area", and it can NOT be
placed under the jurisdiction of your local parks and recreation
department.

Also, regarding picnics. For nine years Mary and I have made it a
habit to fly into little Iowa airports that do NOT have any
attractions nearby, in order to have a picnic on the field. We pack a
picnic basket full of goodies, land at a small, out of the way airport
(there are hundreds of them, so I don't think we'll ever hit them
all), deliver our hotel marketing goodies (brochures, posters, pens,
what-nots), and then throw a blanket down out in the grass and start
eating.

We've met some really nice people that way, and have never been
hassled. It's truly a little piece of Americana, and we love doing
it.

We've also camped next to our plane at airports all around the country
-- again, never with a hassle.

You've simply GOT to stop getting your news from blogs, Anthony. They
do not tell the truth about freedom in America.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I know it's a PIA to have to make a phone call before every flight.
It's an ineffective rule, and I would not like it much, either.

I live, work, and fly in the FRZ. The ADIZ is not just a PIA, it's
going to get someone killed (I would argue it already has). VFR
pilots have to report in at specific navaids, all at the same
altitude. It's a bit more than a PIA on a fine Saturday afternoon
when the controller is offline for some reason, and 20 or so GA
aircraft are all circling the same VOR, same altitude, with no
separation, stepping on each other and pleading for Potomac to pick up
so they can comply with the "squawk and talk" rule. It's a perfect
recipe for a midair.

IFR pilots now get routed via the "western tour", way out of their
way, since the controllers are busy with VFR traffic they've never
been staffed to deal with. While IFRers are burning all that avgas,
they get kept down low, out of the way, even in the summer bumpies
around the mountains. It's a little more than a PIA to clean up the
vomit from your passengers after one of those trips -- and you get
them every time.

I work within walking distance of an airport I can't land at. Flying
bombs (for that's what they've been used for) depart every 5 minutes
from DCA, but you can't land a C150 there for "security reasons."
Last month hundreds of pilots, fingerprinted and vetted, were denied
the use of their aircraft for 3 days straight in the FRZ because there
was a dead President in town.

But hey, you're tired of hearing it.


It's a relatively minor inconvenience that -- if it makes it
possible for us to still fly near Washington, D.C. -- seems like a
small price to pay.


That's one of the most dangerous things you could possibly say. It's
always just "a small price to pay." And how small a price is
$250,000? That's the currently proposed fine for an ADIZ violation,
supported in Flying magazine by Richard Collins (thanks, Dick). And
that's for a violation for which you are guilty until proven
innocent. Hardly sounds like freedom to me.

So sit there all fat and happy in Iowa, Jay, while you can. BTW, the
new chair of the Senate Committee on Aviation Operations, Safety and
Security is on record as saying that he believes GA operations should
have the same security precautions as commercial operations. Can your
FBO in Iowa City afford a metal detector?

The story guy's experience in the ADIZ. I have no idea what
happened with this guy, but I've learned to take these things with a
large grain of salt.

Yeah. There are people who don't believe the Holocaust happened,
either.

All I know is that I found it to be real no-brainer, little different
from how I fly in Iowa.

I don't know how you fly, so I won't even comment on that one.

But hey, you're tired of hearing it.

Yes, I am.

These are the flight conditions you guys who choose to live in and
around the Washington, DC area must contend with, and there's nothing
you can do about it, short of voting the *******s out of office (for
all the good *that* will do). After 5+ years, it's time to either
adapt -- or move. (I know several folks who have.)

Which is not to say that your points are not valid. I truly do
understand your frustration, and I truly am sorry the whole thing
continues -- but the point of mentioning it is simply this: MX said
"America is no longer free" since 9/11.

And I contend that -- other than you poor guys that are stuck in or
near that stupid ADIZ -- *nothing* has changed for the rest of us.

That would be the 99.9% of the country I was referring to.

And I'll stand by that assertion. I fly as often today -- actually
more -- than I did pre-9/11, and (so long as I avoid your area), I fly
with exactly the same rules, freedoms, and regulations as before. In
short, MX's contention is completely, utterly, and thankfully wrong.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination

Jay Honeck writes:

These are the flight conditions you guys who choose to live in and
around the Washington, DC area must contend with, and there's nothing
you can do about it, short of voting the *******s out of office (for
all the good *that* will do).

That's hard to do, with all those farmers in Iowa voting them back
into office.

And I contend that -- other than you poor guys that are stuck in or
near that stupid ADIZ -- *nothing* has changed for the rest of us.

They will come for others first, and if you do nothing to prevent it,
eventually they will come for you, when there is no one else left to
prevent it.

And I'll stand by that assertion. I fly as often today -- actually
more -- than I did pre-9/11, and (so long as I avoid your area), I fly
with exactly the same rules, freedoms, and regulations as before.

It's not saying much to be able to fly over empty farmland.

In short, MX's contention is completely, utterly, and thankfully wrong.

Famous last words. Unfortunately this perception is all too
widespread.

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Jay Honeck writes:

Unless you want to set up a picnic area, apparently.

No, that's not right, either. The reasons for the hassles setting up
a picnic area (at our airport, anyway) is that the FAA is VERY
paranoid about cities pulling a "Mayor Daley" on them, and claiming
that the airport is a "park".

This is how we lost Meigs Field in Chicago, and the FAA ain't playing
that game with anyone, now.

The fact remains that you've lost a degree of freedom.

Thus, they simply won't even consider a "park" at an airport. You
have to call your picnic area a "viewing area", and it can NOT be
placed under the jurisdiction of your local parks and recreation
department.

Also, regarding picnics. For nine years Mary and I have made it a
habit to fly into little Iowa airports that do NOT have any
attractions nearby, in order to have a picnic on the field. We pack a
picnic basket full of goodies, land at a small, out of the way airport
(there are hundreds of them, so I don't think we'll ever hit them
all), deliver our hotel marketing goodies (brochures, posters, pens,
what-nots), and then throw a blanket down out in the grass and start
eating.

We've met some really nice people that way, and have never been
hassled. It's truly a little piece of Americana, and we love doing
it.

Well, isn't that special. Unfortunately much of America doesn't work
that way.

You've simply GOT to stop getting your news from blogs, Anthony. They
do not tell the truth about freedom in America.

You've got to get out of Iowa sometime. By the time the loss of
freedom reaches you, it will be too late.

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