New Plan -- Going to Kill Devil Hills

How do you like those hills? A little bit of a change from Iowa, eh?

The hills were lovely. Nothing, compared to flying the Rockies -- but
still enough terrain to make it interesting. I would not want to have
an engine failure in that area...
--
Jay Honeck
North Myrtle Beach, SC
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Yep, that's been my experience, too. Especially true landing on runway
2 and when the wind is out of an easterly direction. And I think may
have been the wind for today - but by now I hope Jay already knows about
all this.

Yep, we landed on Rwy 2, and it was interesting, even though the wind
was pretty much right down the runway. Very squirrelly winds all the
way down.

And I didn't help myself any by screwing up the approach. Coming from
the NW, that is one HARD airport to see! I actually entered downwind
using my GPS moving map, as I still was unable to see the danged
runway -- although (of course) I *could* see the monument. I didn't
actually see the runway, carved out of those tall trees, until I was
on base leg, and ended up turning to final WAY too late.

I salvaged it, but it wasn't pretty. Heck, until we spotted the
runway, I thought maybe we were supposed to land in the grass at the
foot of the monument!

(Note to self for futu Check out area in GoogleMaps before flying
in... :-)
--
Jay Honeck
North Myrtle Beach, SC
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
Incidentally, at Ocracoke there was a broken (like, in half!) Cirrus
SR-22 alongside the runway. Dunno what happened, but it had police
tape all around it. No one was around to ask, but the plane was a
complete write off. Musta been a WILD landing.

Four people were on board, no injuries. It's in the NTSB prelim database:

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 313L Make/Model: SR22 Description: SR-22
Date: 03/11/2007 Time: 1730

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: OCRACOKE State: NC Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING ROLLOUT, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, INTO THE GRASS, SPUN AROUND
AND STRUCK SOME SMALL TREES, OCRACOKE, NC

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 3 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: KHSE 111749Z AUTO 03009G18KT 360V070 10SM BKN022 12/04 A3024

OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER

Departed: NORFOLK, VA Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: OCRACOKE, NC Flt Plan: Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:

FAA FSDO: GREENSBORO, NC (SO05) Entry date: 03/12/2007

Jay Honeck wrote:
How do you like those hills? A little bit of a change from Iowa, eh?

The hills were lovely. Nothing, compared to flying the Rockies -- but
still enough terrain to make it interesting. I would not want to have
an engine failure in that area...

Yes, I think of that every flight as I live a couple of hundred miles
north of there, but have similar terrain although the mountains are a
little bigger and the valleys a little wider.

Matt

Jim Logajan wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote:
Incidentally, at Ocracoke there was a broken (like, in half!) Cirrus
SR-22 alongside the runway. Dunno what happened, but it had police
tape all around it. No one was around to ask, but the plane was a
complete write off. Musta been a WILD landing.

Four people were on board, no injuries. It's in the NTSB prelim database:

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 313L Make/Model: SR22 Description: SR-22
Date: 03/11/2007 Time: 1730

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: OCRACOKE State: NC Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING ROLLOUT, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, INTO THE GRASS, SPUN AROUND
AND STRUCK SOME SMALL TREES, OCRACOKE, NC

Amazing a crash that benign could break an airplane in half. Makes me
question how crash worthy those plastic airplanes really are!

Matt

On 2007-03-14, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING ROLLOUT, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, INTO THE GRASS, SPUN AROUND
AND STRUCK SOME SMALL TREES, OCRACOKE, NC

Amazing a crash that benign could break an airplane in half. Makes me
question how crash worthy those plastic airplanes really are!

Well, not really - the report doesn't really indicate whether it was
particularly benign or not. Generally, a crashworthy plane will crumple
and break up to absorb the energy. An uncrashworthy plane would not,
transferring the forces to the occupants.

If the loss of control and collision with trees was at 50mph, I'd
imagine it'd break any light plane in half, especially if the plane hit the
tree side on at any kind of speed.

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Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2007-03-14, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING ROLLOUT, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, INTO THE GRASS, SPUN
AROUND AND STRUCK SOME SMALL TREES, OCRACOKE, NC

Amazing a crash that benign could break an airplane in half. Makes
me question how crash worthy those plastic airplanes really are!

Well, not really - the report doesn't really indicate whether it was
particularly benign or not. Generally, a crashworthy plane will
crumple and break up to absorb the energy. An uncrashworthy plane
would not, transferring the forces to the occupants.

If the loss of control and collision with trees was at 50mph, I'd
imagine it'd break any light plane in half, especially if the plane
hit the tree side on at any kind of speed.

Agreed, add to that the fact that the plane broke in half and there were no
fatalities says something for the design.

On 2007-03-13, Jay Honeck wrote:
I just talked with Jay. He took the group's advice to heart and said they
are having a great time in NC & SC. After visiting Kill Devil Hills & Kitty
Hawk, they're now at Myrtle Beach, SC enjoying temps in the 80's, great
seafood, and a great ocean view hotel.

We might end up in Nashville, or maybe Chatanooga. We don't really
care, to be honest -- cuz we don't have to be home till Saturday, and

Well, if there is even a slight chance at Chatanooga, do it! There is an
awesome acquarium there with it's beautiful buildings near the river. Quite
a treat to see and allow plenty of hours to do so - you'll need it. If
possible stay in the Holiday Inn made out of the old grand central train
station, complete with the old trains to go inside and see. This city is
quite a treat just for those two items above.

....Edwin
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Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2007-03-14, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING ROLLOUT, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, INTO THE GRASS, SPUN AROUND
AND STRUCK SOME SMALL TREES, OCRACOKE, NC
Amazing a crash that benign could break an airplane in half. Makes me
question how crash worthy those plastic airplanes really are!

Well, not really - the report doesn't really indicate whether it was
particularly benign or not. Generally, a crashworthy plane will crumple
and break up to absorb the energy. An uncrashworthy plane would not,
transferring the forces to the occupants.

If the loss of control and collision with trees was at 50mph, I'd
imagine it'd break any light plane in half, especially if the plane hit the
tree side on at any kind of speed.


Benign in the sense that there were no injuries.

Crumple, yes, break, no. A break tends to impose very high acceleration
prior to the break and which time the acceleration changes dramatically.
That is NOT good crashworthiness.

Matt

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2007-03-14, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING ROLLOUT, WENT OFF THE RUNWAY, INTO THE GRASS, SPUN
AROUND AND STRUCK SOME SMALL TREES, OCRACOKE, NC
Amazing a crash that benign could break an airplane in half. Makes
me question how crash worthy those plastic airplanes really are!
Well, not really - the report doesn't really indicate whether it was
particularly benign or not. Generally, a crashworthy plane will
crumple and break up to absorb the energy. An uncrashworthy plane
would not, transferring the forces to the occupants.

If the loss of control and collision with trees was at 50mph, I'd
imagine it'd break any light plane in half, especially if the plane
hit the tree side on at any kind of speed.

Agreed, add to that the fact that the plane broke in half and there were no
fatalities says something for the design.

Yes, it says the design likely broke at very low levels of force.

Matt