Low flight and wildlife

Erik wrote:
Jim Stewart wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:

Other hunts gone bad:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X00803&key=1


This guy hit his own wake in a 360 and crashed.

The circle is complete.

But that isn't possible.... ...

Shirley you're joking! :-) Running through their own wake turbulence:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19952&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X27765&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X26040&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X30260&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...14X36964&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X03612&key=1

Jim Logajan wrote:
Erik wrote:
Jim Stewart wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:

Other hunts gone bad:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X00803&key=1

This guy hit his own wake in a 360 and crashed.

The circle is complete.
But that isn't possible.... ...

Shirley you're joking! :-) Running through their own wake turbulence:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19952&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X27765&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X26040&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X30260&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...14X36964&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X03612&key=1


I posted an inquiry over at PPRuNe about driving
transport aircraft through their own wakes and
got a lively response...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272265

Jim Stewart wrote:

Jim Logajan wrote:

Shirley you're joking! :-) Running through their own wake turbulence:

I posted an inquiry over at PPRuNe about driving
transport aircraft through their own wakes and
got a lively response...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272265


Don't call me Shirley!

But I was making a facaetious joke referring to the other thread
that claimed it was impossible to run through your own wake after
a level 360 steep turn...

On Apr 19, 5:47 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
I posted an inquiry over at PPRuNe about driving
transport aircraft through their own wakes and
got a lively response...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272265- Hide quoted text -

Jim, thanks for doing that. Pretty much the same responses as here...
that is, the wake usually descends but it depends on the atmospheric
conditions.

And of course there aren't a ton of jerk-off answers like you get
here.

The most telling part was about how sims don't do turn wakes by
themselves. One tester wrote: "Some wake turbulence is simulated, by
the instructor! If a student has done a perfect or near-perfect steep
turn in the simulator, I have been known to inject 2 to 3 seconds of
light turbulence just as they roll out on a 360° turn.... a small ego
boost to the student you see.. Amazing how many (all?) thought that it
was real. [that is, from the sim] Perhaps I'm guilty of originating
an aviation myth, well, I had to leave my mark somewhere"

Regards, Kev

Maxwell wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Happened here in Montana. They weren't drunk and they both lived.
Backseat passenger was the shooter. Problem was he was using a semi
automatic shotgun. He started to drop the gun and started reaching for
it. Before he knows it 3-4 shots ring out. He about blew the wing off
the plane. The damage caused the plane to be uncontrollable. They
started spinng down. Luckily they were only a couple hundred feet in the
air. Big crash. Both guys hurt but survive. Entire operation perfectly
legal. That's how we hunt coyotes here in the West. The USDA also hunts
coyotes with Cubs and helicopters as well as private parties.


In all the hunts I'm aware of in Oklahoma, the shooters were always on the
ground. The pilot usually flew alone and was just the spotter or tried to
drive the cyotes to the shooters.



They use Greyhound racing dogs for that.

Jim Logajan wrote:

Rich Ahrens wrote:

Newps wrote:

Margy Natalie wrote:

As I recall these idiots were trying to shoot an eagle. IMHO they
deserved to go down. They also had picked up the aircraft at one
airport, flown to another airport to pick up their buddies and the
beer, then went flying...


You haven't recalled one thing right so far. There was no alcohol,
no other people involved. And hunting eagles from a plane? That
doesn't even make sense. Hunting coyotes from aircraft is an
everyday event out here.

Nope, she has it dead on, except that it was a hawk instead of an
eagle. The whole story is documented in the book "They Called It Pilot
Error" by Robert L. Cohn.


Ah - thanks for the source! Sad to say, though, that according to the
reviews of that book on www.amazon.com, Cohn's account may be a work of
fiction. It appears Cohn allegedly states in the forward of that book that
the book is a work of fiction - despite the subtitle claiming the opposite.


It's total fiction.

Erik wrote:
Don't call me Shirley!

But I was making a facaetious joke referring to the other thread
that claimed it was impossible to run through your own wake after
a level 360 steep turn...

I saw that other thread and understood the reference Shir..., Erik. ;-)

Newps wrote:


Margy Natalie wrote:




As I recall these idiots were trying to shoot an eagle. IMHO they
deserved to go down. They also had picked up the aircraft at one
airport, flown to another airport to pick up their buddies and the
beer, then went flying...



You haven't recalled one thing right so far. There was no alcohol, no
other people involved. And hunting eagles from a plane? That doesn't
even make sense. Hunting coyotes from aircraft is an everyday event out
here.

The one I read involved alcohol for sure. I don't think the eagle was
their first objective, but decided to take a shot at it. It was a
Cessna they had removed the window latch from so they could fully open
the window. One passenger survived for a short period of time, the
others did not. I did not see an NTSB report on it, only what I read in
a book.

Margy

Jim Stewart writes:

I posted an inquiry over at PPRuNe about driving
transport aircraft through their own wakes and
got a lively response...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272265

Lively but not at all conclusive.

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"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
.. .
Jim Logajan wrote:
Erik wrote:
Jim Stewart wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:

Other hunts gone bad:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X00803&key=1

This guy hit his own wake in a 360 and crashed.

The circle is complete.
But that isn't possible.... ...

Shirley you're joking! :-) Running through their own wake turbulence:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19952&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X27765&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X26040&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X30260&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...14X36964&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X03612&key=1


I posted an inquiry over at PPRuNe about driving
transport aircraft through their own wakes and
got a lively response...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272265


My aerobatic instructor was always good for an attaboy whenever I managed to
hit my wake when completing a loop. He maintained that it showed good
control of gyroscopic procession when pulling to vertical on entry.

Happy landings,