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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bill Watson writes:

I was thinking the other day as to how piloting is already nearing
obsolescence. Things like the Predator have already demonstrated remote
piloting.. a noncom sitting in a bunker in Colorado or something
piloting a aircraft over in Iraq. Autopilots able to fly from chock to
chock are clearly possible if not already demonstrable.

Such systems have already been developed and demonstrated, but they are
not
currently cost-effective for commercial air travel.

Nevertheless, the fondest dream of the airlines is that they'll one day be
able to eliminate human pilots. I don't see any insurmountable technical
obstacle that will prevent this.

an emergency

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

The solution? Fully automated flight. Hop in and simply *tell* the
car where to fly you, eliminating the stupid pilots. When this is
achieved in twenty years, today's UAVs will look like "Pong" games by
comparison, and the age of piloting will be over.

From that point on the only people still manually "flying" will be
enthusiasts and oddballs -- like us!

Do you really think a dangerous human pilot would be allowed to share
the
skies with fully automated aircraft? Not likely. Automated systems
cannot
easily compensate for humans that cannot be counted on to strictly adhere
to
the rules of the automated system. It's kind of an all or nothing
situation.
Imagine one of those "Highways of the future" that have been touted for
decades, where the cars do all driving. Introduce a car driven by Joe
Schmoe and you'll have chaos in no time.

Fortunately for us, I don't see the whole automated aviation thing
happening in twenty years.

lets see computers went from floppy drives to memory drives. A 86 to a quad
core super duper chip that you cant slow down. the new quad core processor
can process more info than the buss can feed it. This has been 20 years.
The next 20 will be amazing. Your cell phone will be linked to satellite
receive TV radio and diagnose any illness you have. A body scan will have
such a high resolution and the software will be able to find an illness
years before it ever is going to kill you. Minimum wage will be 15, cars
will run on electricity and planes will be a luxury only the super rich will
have. Gas will be over 10 a gallon an I will be almost 70 (67). Dam that's
old.
And solar power will run your house.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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aluckyguess wrote:

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

The solution? Fully automated flight. Hop in and simply *tell* the
car where to fly you, eliminating the stupid pilots. When this is
achieved in twenty years, today's UAVs will look like "Pong" games by
comparison, and the age of piloting will be over.

From that point on the only people still manually "flying" will be
enthusiasts and oddballs -- like us!

Do you really think a dangerous human pilot would be allowed to share
the
skies with fully automated aircraft? Not likely. Automated systems
cannot
easily compensate for humans that cannot be counted on to strictly adhere
to
the rules of the automated system. It's kind of an all or nothing
situation.
Imagine one of those "Highways of the future" that have been touted for
decades, where the cars do all driving. Introduce a car driven by Joe
Schmoe and you'll have chaos in no time.

Fortunately for us, I don't see the whole automated aviation thing
happening in twenty years.

lets see computers went from floppy drives to memory drives. A 86 to a quad
core super duper chip that you cant slow down. the new quad core processor
can process more info than the buss can feed it. This has been 20 years.
The next 20 will be amazing. Your cell phone will be linked to satellite
receive TV radio and diagnose any illness you have. A body scan will have
such a high resolution and the software will be able to find an illness
years before it ever is going to kill you. Minimum wage will be 15, cars
will run on electricity and planes will be a luxury only the super rich will
have. Gas will be over 10 a gallon an I will be almost 70 (67). Dam that's
old.
And solar power will run your house.

And all you need for flying airplanes is artificial intelligence which
is right around the corner any day now and has been for about 3 decades.

--
Jim Pennino

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aluckyguess wrote:

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

The solution? Fully automated flight. Hop in and simply *tell* the
car where to fly you, eliminating the stupid pilots. When this is
achieved in twenty years, today's UAVs will look like "Pong" games by
comparison, and the age of piloting will be over.

From that point on the only people still manually "flying" will be
enthusiasts and oddballs -- like us!

Do you really think a dangerous human pilot would be allowed to share
the
skies with fully automated aircraft? Not likely. Automated systems
cannot
easily compensate for humans that cannot be counted on to strictly
adhere
to
the rules of the automated system. It's kind of an all or nothing
situation.
Imagine one of those "Highways of the future" that have been touted for
decades, where the cars do all driving. Introduce a car driven by
Joe
Schmoe and you'll have chaos in no time.

Fortunately for us, I don't see the whole automated aviation thing
happening in twenty years.

lets see computers went from floppy drives to memory drives. A 86 to a
quad
core super duper chip that you cant slow down. the new quad core
processor
can process more info than the buss can feed it. This has been 20 years.
The next 20 will be amazing. Your cell phone will be linked to satellite
receive TV radio and diagnose any illness you have. A body scan will have
such a high resolution and the software will be able to find an illness
years before it ever is going to kill you. Minimum wage will be 15, cars
will run on electricity and planes will be a luxury only the super rich
will
have. Gas will be over 10 a gallon an I will be almost 70 (67). Dam
that's
old.
And solar power will run your house.

And all you need for flying airplanes is artificial intelligence which
is right around the corner any day now and has been for about 3 decades.

--
Jim Pennino

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I think you will still need a human to program the computer, but you will
talk to it.

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aluckyguess wrote:

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

The solution? Fully automated flight. Hop in and simply *tell* the
car where to fly you, eliminating the stupid pilots. When this is
achieved in twenty years, today's UAVs will look like "Pong" games by
comparison, and the age of piloting will be over.

From that point on the only people still manually "flying" will be
enthusiasts and oddballs -- like us!

Do you really think a dangerous human pilot would be allowed to share
the
skies with fully automated aircraft? Not likely. Automated systems
cannot
easily compensate for humans that cannot be counted on to strictly
adhere
to
the rules of the automated system. It's kind of an all or nothing
situation.
Imagine one of those "Highways of the future" that have been touted for
decades, where the cars do all driving. Introduce a car driven by
Joe
Schmoe and you'll have chaos in no time.

Fortunately for us, I don't see the whole automated aviation thing
happening in twenty years.

lets see computers went from floppy drives to memory drives. A 86 to a
quad
core super duper chip that you cant slow down. the new quad core
processor
can process more info than the buss can feed it. This has been 20 years.
The next 20 will be amazing. Your cell phone will be linked to satellite
receive TV radio and diagnose any illness you have. A body scan will have
such a high resolution and the software will be able to find an illness
years before it ever is going to kill you. Minimum wage will be 15, cars
will run on electricity and planes will be a luxury only the super rich
will
have. Gas will be over 10 a gallon an I will be almost 70 (67). Dam
that's
old.
And solar power will run your house.

And all you need for flying airplanes is artificial intelligence which
is right around the corner any day now and has been for about 3 decades.

--
Jim Pennino

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I think you will still need a human to program the computer, but you will
talk to it.

Interesting concept; talk this to a computer:

#ifndef SOCKSET_DOT_H
#define SOCKSET_DOT_H

#include "socket.h"


struct _sockset_st {
fd_set active_fds; /* FD's passed into and out of select() */
fd_set preserve_fds; /* FD's copied into active_fds */
int nPreserve_fds; /* Number of fds in preserve_fds */
int preserve_arr[ FD_SETSIZE ]; /* Array from 0 nPreserve_fds of each
fd currently in preserve_fds */
/* Array of managed sockets. Indexed to match preserve_arr */
Socket *managed_sockets[ FD_SETSIZE ];
/* Array of clientdatas associated with sockets being managed.
Indexed to match managed_sockets */
void *managed_cldatas[ FD_SETSIZE ];

/* Information about which file descriptors which are on 'hold' */
struct {
int nHeld;
Socket *held_sockets[ FD_SETSIZE ];
void *held_cldatas[ FD_SETSIZE ];
} hold_info;
};

typedef struct _sockset_st SockSet;

extern SockSet *sockset_new();
extern void sockset_dest( SockSet *sset );
extern int sockset_add_fd( SockSet *sset, Socket *sock,
void *cldata );
extern int sockset_del_fd( SockSet *sset, Socket *sock );
extern void **sockset_query_socks( SockSet *sset );
extern int sockset_query_nsocks( SockSet *sset );
extern void sockset_reset( SockSet *sset );
extern int sockset_select( int highest_fd,
SockSet *readset, SockSet *writeset,
struct timeval *tout );
extern int sockset_hold( SockSet *sset, Socket *sock );
extern void sockset_unhold_all( SockSet *sset );

#endif



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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bill Watson writes:

I was thinking the other day as to how piloting is already nearing
obsolescence. Things like the Predator have already demonstrated
remote piloting.. a noncom sitting in a bunker in Colorado or
something piloting a aircraft over in Iraq. Autopilots able to fly
from chock to chock are clearly possible if not already demonstrable.

Such systems have already been developed and demonstrated, but they
are not currently cost-effective for commercial air travel.

Nevertheless, the fondest dream of the airlines is that they'll one
day be able to eliminate human pilots. I don't see any insurmountable
technical obstacle that will prevent this.

Of course you don't, since you're an idiot.

Bertie

Jim Macklin wrote:
Welcome to the first automated Moon flight. Except for the cabin staff,
there is no flight crew. Your flight is fully automatic, but do not be
alarmed, nothing can go wrong go wrong go wrong go wrong go wrong....

I'm afraid I can't do that, Jim...

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jay Honeck writes:

The solution? Fully automated flight. Hop in and simply *tell* the
car where to fly you, eliminating the stupid pilots. When this is
achieved in twenty years, today's UAVs will look like "Pong" games by
comparison, and the age of piloting will be over.

Technically feasible, but I don't think that automated flying alone
would make flying acceptable for the masses.

Flying is acceptable to the masses.

Also accessible.


But not to failures like you.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Agreed, at least for the foreseeable future. But one cannot speculate
on the unforeseeable future.

Aaaangh. wrong, your next question in the subject the bleedin obvous is,
"Which way is up?"


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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JGalban via AviationKB.com writes:

Do you really think a dangerous human pilot would be allowed to share
the skies with fully automated aircraft? Not likely. Automated
systems cannot easily compensate for humans that cannot be counted on
to strictly adhere to the rules of the automated system.

But conversely, automated systems based on digital computers tend to
fail catastrophically when they encounter unforeseen circumstances.

Still they are beter than you. You fail catastrophically trying to do
anything..


Bertie