U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!

ubject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 8/31/03 4:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Yeah. Like in the nose of a bomber over Germany protected by 1/4 inch of
Plexiglas.


I saw that one comin' a mile away....


BUFDRVR



Wanna trade places?

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art Kramer wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

I should know what? That you aren't a Cowardly Lion?

Unlke you I have nothing to apologise for and nothing to explain.

The only thing I have to explain to you is that courage is kinda' like
humility -- if you say you got it, ya' DON'T.

How do you know?

Unlike you I have nothing to apologise for and nothing to explain.

-Mike (I can play that game too) Marron

"Mike Marron" wrote

The only thing I have to explain to you is that courage is kinda' like
humility -- if you say you got it, ya' DON'T.

Cute saying--Dear Abbey?

My son came home complaining about a bully in school. I told him
he'd have to fight him or solve the problem. "How do I solve the
problem?" He asked. Easy, give the drug dealer on the corner some
bad info, like how the bully is selling drugs on his turf. Poof--He was
dead within the week, and the problem went away. Chicago is now
a better place.

Now that's how to handle courage. The silent types are what
will kill you, not the breast beaters.

JB

My son came home complaining about a bully in school. I told him
he'd have to fight him or solve the problem. "How do I solve the
problem?" He asked. Easy, give the drug dealer on the corner some
bad info, like how the bully is selling drugs on his turf. Poof--He was
dead within the week, and the problem went away. Chicago is now
a better place.

Now that's how to handle courage. The silent types are what
will kill you, not the breast beaters.

JB

Amazing, you have just confessed to a felony.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

ubject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: (B2431)
Date: 8/31/03 6:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

My son came home complaining about a bully in school. I told him
he'd have to fight him or solve the problem. "How do I solve the
problem?" He asked. Easy, give the drug dealer on the corner some
bad info, like how the bully is selling drugs on his turf. Poof--He was
dead within the week, and the problem went away. Chicago is now
a better place.

Now that's how to handle courage. The silent types are what
will kill you, not the breast beaters.

JB

Amazing, you have just confessed to a felony.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


But he is too dumb to know it.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"B2431" wrote

Amazing, you have just confessed to a felony.

Talking to drug dealers is a felony now?

"Joey Bishop" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote

The only thing I have to explain to you is that courage is kinda' like
humility -- if you say you got it, ya' DON'T.

Cute saying--Dear Abbey?

Nope. It just popped into my head while fending off Kramer's
uncalled-for barbs and arrows.

My son came home complaining about a bully in school. I told him
he'd have to fight him or solve the problem. "How do I solve the
problem?" He asked. Easy, give the drug dealer on the corner some
bad info, like how the bully is selling drugs on his turf. Poof--He was
dead within the week, and the problem went away. Chicago is now
a better place.

Lovely neighborhood you live in there, huh?

Now that's how to handle courage. The silent types are what
will kill you, not the breast beaters.

For the most part, agreed, but if the combat veterans remained silent
there would be no reason for this NG to exist. We don't want to
discourage discussion here but it's kinda' tough having any type of
meaningful dialogue with someone like Kramer or Tarver who tend
to respond with unnecessary and completely uncalled-for one-liner
insults and baseless accusations rather than constructive feedback.
We all bring our own expectations to this group as to how we think
the discourse should proceed on RAM. However, this is NOT
rec.aviation.VFW or rec.aviation.flame and it's important to remember
that both combatants and non-combatants alike must be courageous
and willing to sacrifice a bit...especially since 9/11.

-Mike Marron

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what it's
all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe , sure,
that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a B-26
pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 8/31/03 7:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what
it's
all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe , sure,
that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a B-26
pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?


BUFDRVR


You answered my question quite clearly.
We would have welcomed you back then. We could never have too many good pilots
to fly tight, steady, accurate formation for good bomb patterns. I would assume
your B-52 time would make you well qualified to fly Norden runs. Besides B-26
pilots are well protected by steel armor. It was just the bombardiers that had
only Plexi for protection. One more question, You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

It was written;

I'm convinced that nuclear weapons are going to have to be used within
the next few years (China vs Formosa, Korea, and Iran).

Not saying you're wrong, but sure hope you are!

I doubt it'll be anyone in a silo; lobbing an ICBM would be a surefire way
to cause the Russians to have kittens

Kittens my eye,, they'd be giving birtth to full grown texas longhorns,
complete with horns!!

It will be someone on an SSBN or B2.

Doubt it would be an SSBN, more likely an SSN. B2 is possible but could even
be old BUFFDRVR with a load of ALCM's. But like anyone here with one living
brain cell, I hope it never comes to that.

Jim
SAC Cop
78-88