P-51's, Aces: A Special Gathering

J a c k wrote:

As far as "Bob" is concerned, though, I regret--and apologize
for--cross-posting a forwarded message concerning the P-51's/Aces
get-together to both r.a.soaring and r.a.military. It seems, along with
the sports thread for which I am NOT responsible, to have degenerated
here on r.a.s. much more quickly than most. I did not allow for it
attracting the attention of Rob, who is notorious on r.a.m, and thus
causing cross-pollution of r.a.s.

Jack

It is simple to just ignore it. But appreciate your apology. Best to try and
keep that kind of stuff where it is.

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On Aug 28, 12:05?pm, wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:40 pm, Rob Arndt wrote:





On Aug 21, 5:21?pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
wrote:

Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:11?pm, J a c k wrote:
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Few aircraft are as legendary as the P-51. The aircraft and the
pilots who flew them during WWII are disappearing.

"Legendary"? Ever hear of the Spitfire and Me Bf 109 plus Fw-190 that
preceded it?

He said "few" not "no," didn't he? Stop being so sensitive.

Well, aside from the Spitfire, those others are for losers. Dems de facks.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made. It lived on beyond its Third Reich
1935-45 timeframe too.

It was the ONLY fighter Germany had for a good part of the war. It
stands to reason it would rack up a lot of kills.

What would the Allied record look like if they only had Spits?

It would show the Spit as the greatest killing aircraft of the war.





Mort, you are a loser.

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The Fw-190 first flew in June 1939 an became operational in 1941.
20,000 were produced, almost 2/3rds of the production of 35,000 Me Bf
109s.

And yet the greatest killing machine ever is still the Me Bf 109.

What did Britain have throughout the war as main fighter? The Spit.
Early on there was the Hurricane and later on there was the Meteor. In
many ways Britain was like Germany in that regard. All Typhoons,
Tempests, Beaufighters, and Mossies were fighter-bombers or multi-role
a/c.

So what are you babbling on about?

The Spit is legendary in its own right, a beautiful design that
matched the longevity of the Me Bf 109 throughout the war and a tough
opponent... but Britain's pilots were not Luftwaffe Experten and only
slightly over 20,000 Spits were produced.

Rob

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On Aug 20, 9:11 pm, J a c k wrote:
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Few aircraft are as legendary as the P-51. The aircraft and the
pilots who flew them during WWII are disappearing.

This coming weekend, there will be a very special gathering in
Columbus, Ohio. They expect 120 P-51s to attend along with many
of the 80 or so remaining WWII Aces.

See this link for details:http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp

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I knew a guy who flew P-51s. He also had time on the P-61, P-38, and
was checked out on several other aircraft in the Pacific Theatre.

He said the one plane he never got to fly but really wanted too was
the Spitfire Mk XXI.

He got into a mock dogfight with one over the Pacific in his P-51 and
immediately became a fan of the Spit.

As a pure dog fighter, the 51 flown by the average pilot would be no
match for any of the Spits at low to medium altitudes if the Mustang
engaged while turning. Most of the 51 pilots were smart enough not to
engage in turning fights with low wing loaded opponents. The 51, as it
wraps up in a turn, develops a fair amount of drag rise and slows down
fast. It's sustained turn rate would be no match for the Spit.
The way to work a 51 against most low wing loaded fighters is in the
vertical oblique plane, coming on hard with a fair rate of closure
decreasing the angle off as nose to tail separation decreases, firing
through the pass at minimum range, then diving on through, extending,
then climbing back into the fight from another perch.
This seems to be the general consensus from the guys I know anyway, who
flew the Mustang in combat.

--
Dudley Henriques

On Aug 28, 4:26?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
I had a
braggart US naval aviator come to where I worked in the 1990s and
quickly put him to shame by asking him how good he thought he really
was. He replied, 'best in the world". I said "come back when you have
beaten the Red Knight's or Hartmann's scores... hmm, guess I'll never
see you again". He got all red faced and angry, and left. I was
waiting for that asshole to say something else. An asshole just like
you

At least he'd handled a joystick other than the one he was born with.

tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:26?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
I had a
braggart US naval aviator come to where I worked in the 1990s and
quickly put him to shame by asking him how good he thought he really
was. He replied, 'best in the world". I said "come back when you have
beaten the Red Knight's or Hartmann's scores... hmm, guess I'll never
see you again". He got all red faced and angry, and left. I was
waiting for that asshole to say something else. An asshole just like
you

At least he'd handled a joystick other than the one he was born with.

Good point, a B-8 grip at least serves a purpose.

The aviator probably left rather than risk jail time for punching
the crap out of aren't and burying what was left in a match box. People
like aren't rely on other people's maturity when they spout off like
that. One can only hope he will learn sooner rather than later.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Aug 28, 5:41?pm, Dan wrote:
tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:26?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
I had a
braggart US naval aviator come to where I worked in the 1990s and
quickly put him to shame by asking him how good he thought he really
was. He replied, 'best in the world". I said "come back when you have
beaten the Red Knight's or Hartmann's scores... hmm, guess I'll never
see you again". He got all red faced and angry, and left. I was
waiting for that asshole to say something else. An asshole just like
you

At least he'd handled a joystick other than the one he was born with.

Good point, a B-8 grip at least serves a purpose.

The aviator probably left rather than risk jail time for punching
the crap out of aren't and burying what was left in a match box. People
like aren't rely on other people's maturity when they spout off like
that. One can only hope he will learn sooner rather than later.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

That naval aviator had he chosen to fight would have had his arms and
legs broken- I would have made sure he wouldn't have been flying any
time soon afterwards. **** Dan, I am a big guy and worked construction
and warehouse all my life. I've dealth with real ganstas and hardcore
thugs from Folsom prison. That wimpy naval prick would have been
busted up badly had he thrown the first punch. He didn't even make a
move, the pretty boy. Being in the Navy means he probably was a queer
too and certainly didn't want to wrinkle his uniform.

Speaking of matchboxes... I'd like to meet your grandparents... what
German ashtray do you keep them in?

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 28, 5:41?pm, Dan wrote:
tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:26?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
I had a
braggart US naval aviator come to where I worked in the 1990s and
quickly put him to shame by asking him how good he thought he really
was. He replied, 'best in the world". I said "come back when you have
beaten the Red Knight's or Hartmann's scores... hmm, guess I'll never
see you again". He got all red faced and angry, and left. I was
waiting for that asshole to say something else. An asshole just like
you
At least he'd handled a joystick other than the one he was born with.
Good point, a B-8 grip at least serves a purpose.

The aviator probably left rather than risk jail time for punching
the crap out of aren't and burying what was left in a match box. People
like aren't rely on other people's maturity when they spout off like
that. One can only hope he will learn sooner rather than later.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

That naval aviator had he chosen to fight would have had his arms and
legs broken- I would have made sure he wouldn't have been flying any
time soon afterwards. **** Dan, I am a big guy and worked construction
and warehouse all my life. I've dealth with real ganstas and hardcore
thugs from Folsom prison. That wimpy naval prick would have been
busted up badly had he thrown the first punch. He didn't even make a
move, the pretty boy. Being in the Navy means he probably was a queer
too and certainly didn't want to wrinkle his uniform.

Speaking of matchboxes... I'd like to meet your grandparents... what
German ashtray do you keep them in?

Rob

And you are a liar. A few weeks ago you told us you were on
disability for diabetes.

I will ignore what you said about my family since you wouldn't say it
to my face. I won't stoop to your level and make comments about the
German half of your family.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Aug 28, 7:29?pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 28, 5:41?pm, Dan wrote:
tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:26?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
I had a
braggart US naval aviator come to where I worked in the 1990s and
quickly put him to shame by asking him how good he thought he really
was. He replied, 'best in the world". I said "come back when you have
beaten the Red Knight's or Hartmann's scores... hmm, guess I'll never
see you again". He got all red faced and angry, and left. I was
waiting for that asshole to say something else. An asshole just like
you
At least he'd handled a joystick other than the one he was born with.
Good point, a B-8 grip at least serves a purpose.

The aviator probably left rather than risk jail time for punching
the crap out of aren't and burying what was left in a match box. People
like aren't rely on other people's maturity when they spout off like
that. One can only hope he will learn sooner rather than later.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

That naval aviator had he chosen to fight would have had his arms and
legs broken- I would have made sure he wouldn't have been flying any
time soon afterwards. **** Dan, I am a big guy and worked construction
and warehouse all my life. I've dealth with real ganstas and hardcore
thugs from Folsom prison. That wimpy naval prick would have been
busted up badly had he thrown the first punch. He didn't even make a
move, the pretty boy. Being in the Navy means he probably was a queer
too and certainly didn't want to wrinkle his uniform.

Speaking of matchboxes... I'd like to meet your grandparents... what
German ashtray do you keep them in?

Rob

And you are a liar. A few weeks ago you told us you were on
disability for diabetes.

I will ignore what you said about my family since you wouldn't say it
to my face. I won't stoop to your level and make comments about the
German half of your family.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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I am not a liar at all, you moron. That incident happened in the
1990s. What year is it Dan? Gee, 2007. I have been disabled with
diabetes type II since 2004 and have already told you I am retired.

Has your memory faded away so quickly?

If I were working F/T right now, how the hell could I post at my
leisure all day long and take care of my child at the same time?

I am just a few years younger than Gordon.

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 28, 7:29?pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 28, 5:41?pm, Dan wrote:
tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:26?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
I had a
braggart US naval aviator come to where I worked in the 1990s and
quickly put him to shame by asking him how good he thought he really
was. He replied, 'best in the world". I said "come back when you have
beaten the Red Knight's or Hartmann's scores... hmm, guess I'll never
see you again". He got all red faced and angry, and left. I was
waiting for that asshole to say something else. An asshole just like
you
At least he'd handled a joystick other than the one he was born with.
Good point, a B-8 grip at least serves a purpose.
The aviator probably left rather than risk jail time for punching
the crap out of aren't and burying what was left in a match box. People
like aren't rely on other people's maturity when they spout off like
that. One can only hope he will learn sooner rather than later.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
That naval aviator had he chosen to fight would have had his arms and
legs broken- I would have made sure he wouldn't have been flying any
time soon afterwards. **** Dan, I am a big guy and worked construction
and warehouse all my life. I've dealth with real ganstas and hardcore
thugs from Folsom prison. That wimpy naval prick would have been
busted up badly had he thrown the first punch. He didn't even make a
move, the pretty boy. Being in the Navy means he probably was a queer
too and certainly didn't want to wrinkle his uniform.
Speaking of matchboxes... I'd like to meet your grandparents... what
German ashtray do you keep them in?
Rob
And you are a liar. A few weeks ago you told us you were on
disability for diabetes.

I will ignore what you said about my family since you wouldn't say it
to my face. I won't stoop to your level and make comments about the
German half of your family.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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I am not a liar at all, you moron. That incident happened in the
1990s. What year is it Dan? Gee, 2007. I have been disabled with
diabetes type II since 2004 and have already told you I am retired.

Has your memory faded away so quickly?

If I were working F/T right now, how the hell could I post at my
leisure all day long and take care of my child at the same time?

I am just a few years younger than Gordon.

Rob

Well, considering all the lies you have told us over the years who
knows?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Rob Arndt wrote:

I am not a liar at all, you moron. That incident happened in the
1990s. What year is it Dan? Gee, 2007. I have been disabled with
diabetes type II since 2004 and have already told you I am retired.

So much for superior Teutonic bloodlines.

Glenn D.