Which post-WW2 combat aircraft have not been used in combat?

ANDREW ROBERT BREEN wrote:

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Mike Marron wrote:

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Sea Fury saw action over Korea - including a MiG 15 downed. Attacker
and IIRC Vampire samw action over Suez in '57.

I forgot, Indian AF Vampires saw action briefly in 1965. A flight of four
was shot down (at least one by friendly fire after they'd attacked their own
ground troops) and they were removed from combat subsequent to that.

Guy

Mike Marron wrote:


Could be wrong, but here goes:

.....,.. Avro Vulcan

RAF in Falklands

........Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer,

Jaapies in Namibia, and also used in 1st gulf war

........deHavilland Venom,

Kiwis in Malaysia. and RAF?

........deHavilland Vampire

Kiwis in Malaysia. and RAF?

ronh
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...



F9F Cougar - used (briefly) for FAC ops in Vietnam
Avro Vulcan - Falklands War
Gnat - India vs Pakistan
Hawk - Kuwait (Gulf War - Iraq invasion), Possibly Indonesia Coin ops in
East Timor)
Tu 22 - Libya - bombing raids on Chad
Tu 16 - Egypt vs Israel
Buccaneer - Gulf War
Venom - Suez (at least Sea Vixen) - also COIN in Aden
FJ-4B Fury - (Briefly) Vietnam
Ouragan, Israel vs Egypt, India vs Pakistan
Sea Fury - Korea
F7F Tigercat - Korea, WW2

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
...
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

I have trimmed the list according to my own research and the ideas of others
in this thread... feel free to amend this further!

B-36, B-47, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, Saab Draken, F-4D Skyray, F7U
Cutlass, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat G.91, English
Electric Lightning, Saab Viggen, Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler, North American B-45,
Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Sea Vixen, McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee,
North American FJ-4B Fury, Yakolev Yak-25A, McDonnell FH-1 Phantom,
McDonnell F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...


HTH,
Nick

In article ,
Nick Pedley wrote:
Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Sea Vixen, McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee,

Hawker Sea Vixen certainly saw no action (or indeed existance), but there
have been suggestions in this thread that the De Havilland Sea Vixen might
have seen active service over Borneo

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"ANDREW ROBERT BREEN" wrote in message
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In article ,
Nick Pedley wrote:
Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Sea Vixen, McDonnell F2H-4
Banshee,

Hawker Sea Vixen certainly saw no action (or indeed existance), but there
have been suggestions in this thread that the De Havilland Sea Vixen might
have seen active service over Borneo

I can't find any online sources which include the Sea Vixen as an aircraft
that saw action over Borneo.
Despite the link on this page- http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Borneo/
But it does hint that the Victor may have carried out a bombing raid there!
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Borneo/air-war.html

Nick

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:09:33 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
wrote:


But it does hint that the Victor may have carried out a bombing raid there!
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Borneo/air-war.html


I can remember reading a similar account in a mag ages ago. To be on the
wrong side of 35 x 1000 pounders would definitely be a life changing event.



greg


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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:38:01 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
wrote:


"Mike Marron" wrote in message
.. .
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

I have trimmed the list according to my own research and the ideas of others
in this thread... feel free to amend this further!

B-36, B-47, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, Saab Draken, F-4D Skyray, F7U
Cutlass, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat G.91, English
Electric Lightning, Saab Viggen, Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler, North American B-45,
Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Sea Vixen, McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee,
North American FJ-4B Fury, Yakolev Yak-25A, McDonnell FH-1 Phantom,
McDonnell F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...


HTH,
Nick

Note that the RB-47 was in "combat" over the SU. One came back with a
rather impressive hole in it where a MIG's cannon shell hit.

Al Minyard

Mike Marron wrote in message . ..
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C,

Correct as far as the F-94C is concerned, but the F-94, in the A
guise, did see service in Korea.

Saab Draken, Saab
29,

The J29 did serve in combat; supported UN forces in Africa.

F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan,

Vulcan flew the "Black Bart" conventional attacks against the
Falklands.

Handley Page Victor,

Depends on how you look at it--the tanker version operated during the
Falklands conflict, IIRC.

Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91,

Maybe, but didn't the Portugese operate the G.91, and if so, did it
ever see action during their colonial conflict in Africa?

English Electric Lightning,

I believe the saudis used the Lightning against Yemenese elements?

Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15,

Well, the Flagon *did* kill a couple of KAL airliners...

Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet,

ISTR some African user might have used the Alpha Jet in ground attack?

Folland Gnat,

Nope, Gnats were even credited with sabre kills when used by Idia
against Pakistan in 65.

BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22,

Not sure about that--ISTR some use by the Libyans in Afica (Chad?)?

Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,

B-58 as a bomber, correct. But I do recall an account of its use with
a rec pod around Cuba during the missile crisis.

Tupolov Tu-16,

Nope, the Tu-16 has been used by the Egyptians, including missions in
Yemen IIRC.

North American B-45,

The B-45 was more often used in its rec guise than it ever was as a
light bomber, and in that role it did see use over Korea, not to
mention reported penetrations into Soviet airspce (flown by RAF crew
IIRC).

Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer,

Buccaneer flew combat missions during ODS.

Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,

Venom saw action in 56 Suez operation against Egypt.

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire,

I believe vampire saw combat use by Rhodesia and South Africa.

Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen,

India, Israel, and (I think) El Salvadore all used the Ouragen in the
ground attack role during combat operations.

McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury,

What? Sea Fury was even credited with a kill over Korea IIRC, not to
mention use by the Cubans later.

Grumman F7F Tigercat,

Tigercat saw action in Korea.

Brooks


McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,

With the "TU-26" this is the TU-22M BACKFIRE. The Backfire was used for
bombing raids in Afghanistan. During the run up to the Soviet withdrawal the
Backfires were heavily employed. The TU-16 BADGER was also used during
Afghainistan. With the TU-20 (VVS designation) you mean the TU-95 BEAR. As
far as I remember the BEAR has not been used in combat operations during
Soviet involvement in Afghanistan as a bomb-truck.

TJ