limit of trim = limit of travel?

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On Apr 26, 1:24 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote
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WingFlaps writes:

No, that doesn't sound right.
The stall horn is supposed to sound before the stall speed is
reached.

It does, but only a second or two before (assuming that airspeed is
still falling). If I take remedial action instantly the stall does
not occur.

A stall will never occur. Computers don;'t stal.

Bertie

Pretty close, though. Microsoft stuff has a reputation for slowing
down, and crashing. That could be a stall simulation....


Groan!


Bertie

Tina writes:

If you show significant climb rate with a single piston your sim is
smoking tobacco substitute.

How much is significant, and which single pistons?

On Apr 28, 1:16*am, Clark wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:1cd20dfa-3cfb-489a-9fee-
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On Apr 27, 6:14*am, wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:33 am, WingFlaps wrote:

Look at the size of a trim surface and the size of the elevator. Think
about which one is more powerful. You can't stall a 182 with full
trim, but you can with the yoke. OK?

Cheers

*Don't give the impression that the trim tab is doing the flying. It's
not. Trim tab down moves the elevator up, and the elevator controls
the pitch.

The idea was that if he looked at the area of the trim tab he would
realize it cannot generate full surface deflection. I've not tried
winding in full trim with power on to see if a stall results. I would
have guessed that Mr Cessna would not make the trim that powerful...

The trim stall is on the Jeppesen syllabus to be demonstrated as part of PPL
training...


Yes that's for full power which is not what I was thinking MX was
talking about.

Cheers

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Tina writes:

If you show significant climb rate with a single piston your sim is
smoking tobacco substitute.

How much is significant,

However many you are smoking, it's obviously too much.


Bertie

Umm..

A guy here is bulding a plane called a "Rocket" (similar to an RV,
single engine piston).

Specs indicate it has an ROC of 3000 fpm..

With the freakin engine they are shoehorning in it, it will be
ballistic.

That's not "significant"?



Dave





Thats not On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:07:56 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote:

If you show significant climb rate with a single piston your sim is
smoking tobacco substitute.

On Apr 27, 6:58 pm, Dave wrote:
Umm..

A guy here is bulding a plane called a "Rocket" (similar to an RV,
single engine piston).

Specs indicate it has an ROC of 3000 fpm..

With the freakin engine they are shoehorning in it, it will be
ballistic.

That's not "significant"?



Dave

Thats not On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:07:56 -0700 (PDT), Tina

wrote:
If you show significant climb rate with a single piston your sim is
smoking tobacco substitute.

Harmon Rocket. I've seen one fly. Makes almost any other
piston single look anemic.
http://www.harmonrocket.com/specsprofnew.htm

Dan

That's the one, and this one is getting ALL the toys... nothing being
spared, and the the engine is being "breathed upon" as well

Actually, I find there are several (SEL, piston) that will do 2000
FPM +.

Dave


On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:23:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Harmon Rocket. I've seen one fly. Makes almost any other
piston single look anemic.
http://www.harmonrocket.com/specsprofnew.htm

Dan

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

The 182RG, the REAL airplane, has enough pitch trim to maintain slow
flight just above the stall.

I'll continue to experiment.


The trim on sims behaves nothing like it does in the real airplane almost
to the point of having a different purpose.


Bertie

Coaching your little brother a bit. How nice! Did you two kiss and make up?

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I've flown a few that couldn't even be trimmed for slow flight or
approach ( pre war stuff) The trim was apparently only considered to
be useful for cruise.

Interesting. I was flying my simulated Cessna 182 and it didn't seem
like the pitch trim fully deflected the elevators even with the trim
all the way over (that is, I could still move the yoke to get even
further deflection). It sounds like this is true to life.

Nothing about a sim is true to life. It's a toy. Different airplanes have
different authorits. i can loop my Citabira with the pitch trim.


Bertie

YEAH!!!! Sure ya can lamer.

"Buttman" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Buttman wrote in
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WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:03 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
I just tried a few experiments

No, that doesn't sound right.
The stall horn is supposed to sound before the stall speed is
reached.

Cheers

"supposed to", but doesn't always. I've flown planes (especially
cessnas with their crappy cereal-box-toy-quality plastic stall horns)
that don't go off at all, but will test fine on the ground.


What, you didn't stick chewing gum in them to fail them so your students
would learn what it was like when they failed?

Bertie

Oh bertie, you're such a card

Na, not really. Just a self made prick.