Israel murders disabled people... whats next i wonder IDF-Apachefiring missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque inGaza...

In article 406443ff@bg2., "Matt Wiser"
wrote:

Seems with the one-year anniversary of OIF the Saddam apologists have
come out of the woodwork. I'd send them over to have a look at the
torture chambers, mass graves, and listen to those who survived the
prisons and torture rooms and talk to those who lost loved ones to
the Baathists; and then find out if they still want to apologize for
the Saddam regime. Several of the trolls on this NG would certainly
qualify.

Hey, give it a few years. They'll be telling us that they were bath
houses and delousing chambers, and that Saddam's folks could not have
possibly killed that many people. The mass graves? Just a convenient
way of getting rid of all of the people killed by UN sanctions. Then
they'll point to Saddam's 99% wins in the "elections," and tell us how
popular he was.

We've seen *that* tactic before...

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Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

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What a penis of a man you are, Brooks. A four inch penis.

Grantland


And how exactly would you know that?

Jarg

In us.military.army Kevin Brooks wrote:

That is not what the Iraqis themselves believe, according to the recent poll
results (from an organization that was none to much in favor of the
operation, either).

Source?


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In us.military.army Kevin Brooks wrote:

That is not what the Iraqis themselves believe, according to the recent
poll
results (from an organization that was none to much in favor of the
operation, either).

Source?


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...ll_040314.html

48% of Iraqis thought the US was right to invade while 39%
thought it was wrong.

Only 15% think the colalition forces should leave now
and encouragingly most want a stable democracy with
only 21% favoring a religious government.

Keith

In message , Chad Irby
writes
Hey, give it a few years. They'll be telling us that they were bath
houses and delousing chambers, and that Saddam's folks could not have
possibly killed that many people. The mass graves? Just a convenient
way of getting rid of all of the people killed by UN sanctions. Then
they'll point to Saddam's 99% wins in the "elections," and tell us how
popular he was.

We've seen *that* tactic before...

Cuts both ways. Remember all those stories about how Saddam used to feed
victims feet-first through an industrial shredder?

Funny thing, that: turns out nobody actually saw that, or knew where it
happened, though lots of folks heard from a friend that a bloke they met
down the bazaar knew all about it...

Brendan O'Neill covered it in "Not a shred of evidence", 21 Feb 2004,
"The Spectator": it made for a great tagline, but like the tales of
Iraqi troops flinging infants out of Kuwaiti incubators in 1990 it
proved to be somewhat at variance with the facts.

"And there you have the long and short of the available evidence for a
human-shredding machine — an uncorroborated statement made by an
individual in northern Iraq, hearsay comments made by someone widely
suspected of being a ‘bull****ter’ (who, like the Australian Prime
Minister, made his comments about the shredder shortly after Clwyd first
wrote of it in the Times), and a record book, in Arabic, that mentions
‘mincing’ but whose whereabouts are presently unknown. Other groups
have no recorded accounts of a human shredder. A spokesman at Amnesty
International tells me that his inquiries into the shredder story
‘drew a blank’. ‘We checked it with our people here, and we have
no information about a shredder.’ Widney Brown, deputy programme
director of Human Rights Watch, says: ‘We don’t know anything about
a shredder, and have not heard of that particular form of execution or
torture.’ "



It depresses me because there were good reasons to get Saddam out of
Baghdad: so why the need to peddle so much bull?

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When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Chad Irby
writes
Hey, give it a few years. They'll be telling us that they were bath
houses and delousing chambers, and that Saddam's folks could not
have possibly killed that many people. The mass graves? Just a
convenient way of getting rid of all of the people killed by UN
sanctions. Then they'll point to Saddam's 99% wins in the
"elections," and tell us how popular he was.

We've seen *that* tactic before...

Cuts both ways. Remember all those stories about how Saddam used to feed
victims feet-first through an industrial shredder?

Actually, this is cutting the *same* way.

To quote Tim Blair:

"Obviously, interviewing anyone with first-hand -- or feet-first --
experience of the alleged shredder is impossible. For the sake of
argument, let¹s assume that this person from northern Iraq was lying,
for whatever reason; we pro-liberation types now find ourselves in the
utterly humiliating position of having supported the removal of a tyrant
who tortured and killed tens of thousands of people (at least), but who
didn¹t use a plastic shredder."

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

It depresses me because there were good reasons to get Saddam out of
Baghdad: so why the need to peddle so much bull?


Well, because even with the somewhat less than accurate stories, like the
shredder, the U.N. was unwilling to act. I guess someone figured if we kept
piling on stories of Saddams brutality, no matter how credible they were (or
weren't) that eventually the U.N. would act. I do not throw WMD in this
catagory, the U.S. and the U.K. honestly believed they existed, despite how
some of the less intelligent and informed are trying to spin it.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:
Cuts both ways. Remember all those stories about how Saddam used to feed
victims feet-first through an industrial shredder?

Actually, this is cutting the *same* way.

Okay, you're happy on a diet of lies: not everyone is as joyful about
being misled as you. You're telling me that you *like* being misled? Or
are you just wholly reckless as to the truth?

Again, there's plentiful truth about Saddam, so why bother making stuff
up?

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When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

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In us.military.army Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
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I wonder what will Israel think of its its blind/hearing impaired and
wheelchair bound citizens been killed next is like.. unfair?.. sick?...
horrible?....

HAMAS's bombs created many blind/hearing impaired wheelchair bound
Israelis.

And vice-versa, however, the losses have been far higher on the
Palestinian
side, according to Red Cross statistics.

Which is another reason to condemn HAMAS as war criminals. they deliberately
place their forces in such a way as to generate collateral casualties if
attacked (that violates the laws of war) and under the laws of war that
makes HAMAS responsible for those casualties.

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In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

Considering that Israel has only killed, since the start of the last
Intifada in 2000, about 2600 Palestinians (most of whom were armed or
standing around people who were armed and shooting) out of a population
of 8.7 million, you're horribly abusing that "ethnic cleansing" phrase.

You dishonestly restrict the use of the word, both in time, and in impact.
Ethnic cleansing is the only word to describe the concerted *60 YEAR*
effort to drive Palestinians out of their native land into neighboring
arab
countries. Murder, assassination, torture, intimidation, racism,
harassment, destruction of infrastructure, destruction of economy,
destruction of farmland, theft of water, environmental destuction.

The message is quite clear. It is "Get out or suffer".

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal
Husseini told the UN Security Council on April 16, 1948:

"The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were
not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny
this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight".

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Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha on September 16, 1947 -

"The Arab world is not in a compromising mood. It's likely, Mr. Horowitz,
that your plan is rational and logical, but the fate of nations is not
decided by rational logic. Nations never concede; they fight. You won't get
anything by peaceful means or compromise. You can, perhaps, get something,
but only by the force of your arms. We shall try to defeat you. I am not
sure we'll succeed, but we'll try. We were able to drive out the Crusaders,
but on the other hand we lost Spain and Persia. It may be that we shall lose
Palestine. But it's too late to talk of peaceful solutions."

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Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian
would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist
beside Israel. The responsibility for the refugee problem rests with the
Arabs.

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Their intentions were declared by Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab
League: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which
will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

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Ah yes, damn the Israelis and their 60 year campaign of 'Ethnic cleansing
'...