IDF-Apache firing missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque in Gaza...

"Chad Irby" wrote

A quote from that piece: "America did not put Saddam in power."

Please read the whole article !

"But during the cold war, America competed with the Soviets for Saddam's
attention and welcomed his war with the religious fanatics of Iran. Having
cozied up to Saddam, Washington found it hard to break away-even after going
to war with him in 1991." etc., etc., etc.,

Another Soviet boy, who only started paying attention to the US after
the USSR went broke.

First US caled Musharaf a dictaor which he is. After he give America support
in war in Afganistan he became "democrat" over night.
A democrat, Yeah right...

Are you seeing the pattern yet?

Yes, I see. US has its fingers in creating/supporting (along with soviets)
majority of world's terrorists and dictators.

And these are just few of them.

You also need to understand that giving someone support versus Communism
does not make them a "puppet," which implies that we controlled them
completely. Mostly, our efforts around the world ended up as an
advisory deal, versus the Soviet model of "do as we say."

Please, CIA and State Department was creating politics in those countries
and these guy were their actors.

CIA had their fingers in most of the Latin America countries.

I'm sorry, but you're out of your mind. Or have you never read any
history over the last five decades or so? Stalin killed more of his
*own* people than were killed in all of the wars from 1900 to 2004.

He was mostly killing their own people, US was killing others or have their
plyers to kill in their name.
US bombings of Cambodia killed near 500,000 civilians, US bombings of Laos
killed 350,000 civilans
Do You know just, how many civilans did US kill in Vietnam ?

Except that the people who sold that gear to them were the Soviets, the
French, and the Germans. And the French even sold them a nuclear
reactor to make bombs with.

The US never sold the Iraqis chemical *or* biological weapons, nor the
gear to use it.

You are ignorant!
Along with those country US has it's part in creating Iraq's WMD program.

"The U.S. companies listed, some of which have facilities in Silicon Valley,
include Spectra Physics, Honeywell, Dupont, Eastman Kodak, Bechtel,
Tektronix, Unisys, Rockwell and Hewlett-Packard. They allegedly provided
materials for Iraq's rocket program, planned nuclear weapons program and
conventional weapons program, which includes military logistics as well as
supplies and materials for building weapons plants.
The complete list included 24 companies with home bases in the United
States, along with 50 subsidiaries of foreign companies that conducted their
arms business with Iraq from within U.S. borders.
In addition to these companies, another group designated in the report as
Iraq's arms suppliers includes the U.S. Ministries of Defense, Energy, Trade
and Agriculture, as well as Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia
National laboratories."

"According to newly declassified documents mentioned in the Washington Post
Weekly Edition (Jan. 6-12, 2003), Iraq was already using chemical weapons on
an "almost daily basis" when Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein in
1983, consolidating the U.S.-Iraq military alliance.
Subsequently, the Pentagon supplied logistical and military support; U.S.
banks provided billions of dollars in credits; and the CIA, using a Chilean
conduit, increased Saddam's supply of cluster bombs. U.S. companies also
supplied steel tubes and chemical substances, the types of material for
which the Security Council is now searching.
As late as 1989 and 1990, according to a report from U.S. Representative
Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), U.S. companies, under permits from the first Bush
administration, sent mustard gas materials, live cultures for
bacteriological research, to Iraq. U.S. companies helped Iraq build a
chemical weapons factory, and then shipped Hussein a West Nile virus,
hydrogen cyanide precursors and parts for a new nuclear plant."

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/me...iraq-0308.html

"Sunny" wrote:

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians in cafes, discos, trains, buses
etc
?

I do nor support the killing of civilans of any side !

But after decades of Israel occupation do you think Palestinians had any
other choice ?
This situation looks like British occupation of Ireland and Irish fight for
freadom. Methods, if not same were quite similar.

"Nicky" wrote in message
...
"Keith Willshaw" wrote :

The Taliban didnt EXIST when the Soviets were around. It emerged as a
movement in 1994, several years after the USSR had ceased to exist
let alone occupy Afghanistan.

They only had a different name.
Mudjahedins, and then they were called freedom fighters :-)


Some Mujahedinn joined the Taliban others joined the Northern Alliance.
The Taliban as such didnt exist when the Soviets occupied Afghanistan

Keith

"Nicky" wrote in message
...
"Sunny" wrote:

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians in cafes, discos, trains, buses
etc
?

I do nor support the killing of civilans of any side !

But after decades of Israel occupation do you think Palestinians had any
other choice ?
This situation looks like British occupation of Ireland and Irish fight
for
freadom. Methods, if not same were quite similar.



You think so huh.

Care to tell us how many suicide bombings took place in Ireland ?

How about how many air attacks on Sinn Fein leaders took place
in Ireland ?

Keith

Yeff wrote in
:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:03:36 GMT, Charles Gray wrote:

I'm more interested in the big middle finger this seems to have sent
the US way-- Sharon really seems intent on proving that he is not
beholden in any way shape or form to U.S. preassure

Here's another view on what this killing is all about:
http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/03/AngeringthePalestinians.shtml

In summary, wall off the insurgents, kill off the leaders, let them fight
and murder themselves as each group tries to establish authority.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com


here's another explanation;
http://www.nationalreview.com/babbin...0403250855.asp

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Chad Irby wrote in
. com:

In article ,
Charles Gray wrote:

The isreali Palestinian conflict seems to have one main theme--
whenever one side is seriouly ready to make a deal, the other decides
it doesnt' want to. It's been more obvious on the Palestinian side,
but the Isreali's have also missed many chances to bolster the
moderates (back when such a thing existed).

Mostly because every time the peace process gets started, one side or
the other sends in suicide bombers.

Oh, wait, that's just the *one* side.

If the Palestinians ever wanted to make a deal, they'd shut down Hamas
and related groups. They don't.


They would also have to admit Israel's right to exist.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:29:15 GMT, Glenfiddich wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:40:31 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:43:18 +0900, "Ragnar" wrote:


wrote in message
news:st28c.4249$Ct5.564@edtnps89...
In us.military.army Ragnar wrote:

Yes, how dare the Israelis attack known terrorists!!!

How does Israel figure that a blind and deaf man in a wheelchair is a
threat
to a nuclear power?

Well, for starters the guy was a planner and mastermind. Those guys NEVER
do the suicide dance - they convince other people to do it.


Yassin was little more than a figurehead, and like the pope, probably
couldn't
dress himself without help, much less plan a terrorist operation.

A "figurehead" is still a viable target. Tell me that offing the Pope
wouldn't have consequences.

This is a fight between two religions. As always, no one will "win",
thousands of innocents are being killed, and neither side has
"clean hands". "Viable" targets are any member of the "other"
religion, barbarity reigns on both sides,
and the US should not be involved.

On (and before) 9/11 al Qaeda decided that the US most definitely IS
involved.

Hamas objects to Jews walking on the Muslim land of Israel.
Al Qaeda objects to American Christians walking on the Muslim lands
of Saudi and Iraq, etc.

Hamas, Hizbullah, Ansar al Islam, Jihad Islamiya and al Qaeda et al
ALL claim the Muslim religion as the basis for their actions.

You reject those facts at your own risk.

If you read my post, it was directed toward the Israeli/Palestinian
conflict. You are correct on one point, ANY theocratic government
or group is irrational. That was my point.

Al Minyard

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:18:29 -0500, Yeff wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:03:36 GMT, Charles Gray wrote:

I'm more interested in the big middle finger this seems to have sent
the US way-- Sharon really seems intent on proving that he is not
beholden in any way shape or form to U.S. preassure

Here's another view on what this killing is all about:
http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/03/AngeringthePalestinians.shtml

In summary, wall off the insurgents, kill off the leaders, let them fight
and murder themselves as each group tries to establish authority.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

The same genocide that the Moslems want to impose.

Al Minyard

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:08:51 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
Charles Gray wrote:

The isreali Palestinian conflict seems to have one main theme--
whenever one side is seriouly ready to make a deal, the other decides
it doesnt' want to. It's been more obvious on the Palestinian side,
but the Isreali's have also missed many chances to bolster the
moderates (back when such a thing existed).

Mostly because every time the peace process gets started, one side or
the other sends in suicide bombers.

Oh, wait, that's just the *one* side.

True, the Israelis use tanks and aircraft instead. Same result either way.

Al Minyard

Some Mujahedinn joined the Taliban others joined the Northern Alliance.
The Taliban as such didnt exist when the Soviets occupied Afghanistan

Keith

There was also the native Afghan muj, and the Arab muj, it was not just one
cohesive group.

The Arabs were much more radical and for them it was a relgious battle, for the
Afghans it was getting their country back.

It is a vast oversimplification when people group the Mujahadeed into just one
group, and just treat the later Taliban, as just the Muj that was renamed.
The Afghan muj did not run the country very well, and this helped the Paki
inspired and assisted Taliban to come in, under the guide of returning law and
order to the country. The old Afghan admin retreated to the northern part, and
because the Northern Alliance.

Taliban was not a homegrown creation, although it did play on the fears and
lack of education of many Afghans.
Pakistans ISI was becoming more and more involved with the radical and foreign
elements of the anti soviet resistance, so towards the latter part of the war,
our (US) assistance was going straight to afghan muj, as opposed to going thru
Pakistani intelligence like had been the case.

One of the less talked about aspects of the 2001 Afghan war, was the numbers of
Pakistani troops that were in Afghanistan when hostilities commenced.
Apparently there were quite a few PAF C-130 flights to get their troops out.


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)