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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"OXMORON1" wrote in message
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Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or ADMITS a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll, until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.

so you still satnd by the following quotes you made:

"Hitler believed the homosexual was already suicidal and just needed a little
push to be a true NAZI achiever. Homosexuals had great power in NAZI
Germany."

or

"That is the case with all modern transports Gord. Pitot tubes are only used
for flight test back up instrumentation for modern transports; pitot tubes
have a nasty habbit of atracting mud bees and are therefore not reliable
enough for revenue these past few decades."

or

"The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the kind of
failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without P1 and T0 a
jet will stall in fog."

quotes, courtesy of John P. Tarver, MS/PE

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
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Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made such a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms" into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

no you didnt.

(B2431) wrote in message ...
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 3/31/2004 8:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made such a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms" into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

Be a man Dan and post up that apology.

Apologize for what? Not stooping to your level by being vulgar and making
personal attacks? For not using Knoyle's archives to remind you of some of the
incredibly strange assertions you have made? For disagreeing with you on
systems I have worked and you haven't? For not getting angry when you
repeatedly claimed I had been thrown out of the Air Force with a dishonourable?
For proving you wrong with facts from reliable sources? For asking you to cite
independant and reliable sources? For not believing you are correct when
reliable and independant expert sources have proved you wrong?

Just what am I supposed to apologize for?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

thats about the size of it, remember without Tarver the wright
brothers would never have got off the ground. Boeing, Honeywell,
Collins the NTSB
the wright brothers, Antonov Design Bureau and NASA all couldnt exist
without Tarver and quotes like the following show his true capacity in
aviation:

...."Retarding the throttles will cease the engines from adding thrust,
my silly rodent. Reducing pilot workload gives the Operator more time
to deploy Spoiler Flaps into a Speed Brake configuration"

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 3/31/2004 8:19 PM Central Standard Time
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"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or
ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made such
a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms"
into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

Be a man Dan and post up that apology.

Apologize for what?

You owe me an apology for you being a clueless ass you several years WRT
pitot static systems, Dan.

then splaps boy, by similarity you should not only be apologizing to
humanity, but flagellating yourself with stinging nettles.

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From: "Tarver Engineering"


"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 3/31/2004 8:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or
ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made such
a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms"
into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

Be a man Dan and post up that apology.

Apologize for what?

You owe me an apology for you being a clueless ass you several years WRT
pitot static systems, Dan.

Unlike you I have 20 years experience in pitot-static systems. Do a google
search on your converstations with several of us and you will see I have
nothing to apologize for.

I notice you deleted:

ahhhh forgot to include splaps boy's propensity to snip posts !


begin quote

Apologize for what? Not stooping to your level by being vulgar and making
personal attacks? For not using Knoyle's archives to remind you of some of the
incredibly strange assertions you have made? For disagreeing with you on
systems I have worked and you haven't? For not getting angry when you
repeatedly claimed I had been thrown out of the Air Force with a dishonourable?
For proving you wrong with facts from reliable sources? For asking you to cite
independant and reliable sources? For not believing you are correct when
reliable and independant expert sources have proved you wrong?

Just what am I supposed to apologize for?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

end quote


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"


"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 3/31/2004 8:19 PM Central Standard Time
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"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is
never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or
ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive
troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's
archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot
air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made
such
a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms"
into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

Be a man Dan and post up that apology.

Apologize for what?

You owe me an apology for you being a clueless ass you several years WRT
pitot static systems, Dan.

Unlike you I have 20 years experience in pitot-static systems. Do a google
search on your converstations with several of us and you will see I have
nothing to apologize for.

I was here, you have an entire plate of crow to eat, Dan.

mmmm coming from an idiot that has a complete smorgasboard of crow and
a dessert trolley of humble pie to work through.

better get them eatin' pants on splaps boy.

(B2431) wrote in message ...
From: "Tarver Engineering"


"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 3/31/2004 8:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or
ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made such
a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms"
into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

Be a man Dan and post up that apology.

Apologize for what?

You owe me an apology for you being a clueless ass you several years WRT
pitot static systems, Dan.

Unlike you I have 20 years experience in pitot-static systems. Do a google
search on your converstations with several of us and you will see I have
nothing to apologize for.

I notice you deleted:

begin quote

Apologize for what? Not stooping to your level by being vulgar and making
personal attacks? For not using Knoyle's archives to remind you of some of the
incredibly strange assertions you have made? For disagreeing with you on
systems I have worked and you haven't? For not getting angry when you
repeatedly claimed I had been thrown out of the Air Force with a dishonourable?
For proving you wrong with facts from reliable sources? For asking you to cite
independant and reliable sources? For not believing you are correct when
reliable and independant expert sources have proved you wrong?

Just what am I supposed to apologize for?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

end quote


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Don't worry about this clown's bull****, Dan - you've got USAF after
your name, which is worth more for your credibility than any crap he
can spew to try to salvage his. All of your Air Force brothers are
behind you on this one, believe me.

Monkey
Captain
Canadian Air Force

(B2431) wrote in message ...
From: "Tarver Engineering"


"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 3/31/2004 8:19 PM Central Standard Time
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"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Tarver Engineering"

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
It has to be a fake. Tarver is a legend in his own mind, is never
wrong
and
will NEVER say he is. Just ask him.

I think you are wrong this time Dan, Tarver has on rare occasions
admitted
to
mis-speaking as opposed to another individual who NEVER makes or
ADMITS
a
mistake or is it misteak?

Dan made a fool of himself for years peddling Knoyle's archive troll,
until
he saw the paradox of Knoyle's ignorance. Still no apology.


Tarver, someday you will have to explain to us what "Knoyle's archive
troll"
means. Everything I ever cited as coming from you came from a Google
search,
not Knoyle's or any of the other sites dedicated to you.

Right.

There are similar sites dedicated to you in several forums from hot air
balooning to cars to homebuilt aircraft to this one. You have made such
a
fool
of yourself in all those forums that people collect the "tarverisms"
into
sites. They are not all made by Knoyle or any other individual.

I made up the term Tarverism.

Be a man Dan and post up that apology.

Apologize for what?

You owe me an apology for you being a clueless ass you several years WRT
pitot static systems, Dan.

Unlike you I have 20 years experience in pitot-static systems. Do a google
search on your converstations with several of us and you will see I have
nothing to apologize for.

I notice you deleted:

begin quote

Apologize for what? Not stooping to your level by being vulgar and making
personal attacks? For not using Knoyle's archives to remind you of some of the
incredibly strange assertions you have made? For disagreeing with you on
systems I have worked and you haven't? For not getting angry when you
repeatedly claimed I had been thrown out of the Air Force with a dishonourable?
For proving you wrong with facts from reliable sources? For asking you to cite
independant and reliable sources? For not believing you are correct when
reliable and independant expert sources have proved you wrong?

Just what am I supposed to apologize for?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

end quote


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Here's a great one about Tarver - he claims he designed the F/A-18
simulator, and as a pilot on an F-18 squadron I challenged one of his
opinions about his knowledge of F/A-18 FCS. Initially I was modestly
unsure about what he was saying in that our squadron is a Canadian
CF-18 unit, which flies a slightly different variant. Additionally,
since pilots are more concerned with the labour and study intensive
aspects of the tactical employment of the aircraft rather than the
mundane (to us), extraneous details of how a system works down to the
nut and bolt, we generally are not the experts in all its systems.Well
I came across a USN NATOPS manual today which cements in my mind that
Tarver is completely full of ****. I would like to refer him to
document A1-F18AC-NFM-000, page IV-11-2 para 11.1.1 so he knows my
exact source. Tarver, as a professed expert, claims the flight control
system/limits "break out" at 20 pounds of stick back pressure. Having
flown the aircraft and not believing him, I actually went into the USN
manual we had on squadron which states that "To increase AOA above the
feedback AOA of 22 AOA, aft stick must be applied. The maximum steady
state AOA with full aft stick (35 pounds stick force) is 50 to 55 AOA.
Which refutes what Tarver claims, and which I incidentally already
knew from actual EXPERIENCE in an actual AIRPLANE that contary to his
"expert opinion," what actually happens in the F/A-18 at above 20
pounds of stick force is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. After this discussion it
has become solidified in my mind that I will no longer extend to this
moron any benefit of the doubt. Anyone who so blatantly and habitually
slanders and insults my military brothers and sisters is not worthy of
a response. All I can say to you Dan is to take solace in that fact
that it was people like you who during your military careers allowed
Tarver to enjoy the freedom which allows him to spout boneheaded
bull**** on a daily basis without getting his ass kicked for it. Dan,
please thank all your military and ex military colleagues on your side
of the border for the fine work they've done defending freedom. And if
I may Dan, I would like to speak to Tarver on behalf of you and your
brethren for just a moment. Tarver:
"You're welcome."

Monkey
Captain
CAF

On 1 Apr 2004 19:15:23 -0800, (monkey) wrote:

Here's a great one about Tarver - he claims he designed the F/A-18
simulator, and as a pilot on an F-18 squadron I challenged one of his
opinions about his knowledge of F/A-18 FCS. Initially I was modestly
unsure about what he was saying in that our squadron is a Canadian
CF-18 unit, which flies a slightly different variant. Additionally,
since pilots are more concerned with the labour and study intensive
aspects of the tactical employment of the aircraft rather than the
mundane (to us), extraneous details of how a system works down to the
nut and bolt, we generally are not the experts in all its systems.Well
I came across a USN NATOPS manual today which cements in my mind that
Tarver is completely full of ****. I would like to refer him to
document A1-F18AC-NFM-000, page IV-11-2 para 11.1.1 so he knows my
exact source. Tarver, as a professed expert, claims the flight control
system/limits "break out" at 20 pounds of stick back pressure. Having
flown the aircraft and not believing him, I actually went into the USN
manual we had on squadron which states that "To increase AOA above the
feedback AOA of 22 AOA, aft stick must be applied. The maximum steady
state AOA with full aft stick (35 pounds stick force) is 50 to 55 AOA.
Which refutes what Tarver claims, and which I incidentally already
knew from actual EXPERIENCE in an actual AIRPLANE that contary to his
"expert opinion," what actually happens in the F/A-18 at above 20
pounds of stick force is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. After this discussion it
has become solidified in my mind that I will no longer extend to this
moron any benefit of the doubt. Anyone who so blatantly and habitually
slanders and insults my military brothers and sisters is not worthy of
a response. All I can say to you Dan is to take solace in that fact
that it was people like you who during your military careers allowed
Tarver to enjoy the freedom which allows him to spout boneheaded
bull**** on a daily basis without getting his ass kicked for it. Dan,
please thank all your military and ex military colleagues on your side
of the border for the fine work they've done defending freedom. And if
I may Dan, I would like to speak to Tarver on behalf of you and your
brethren for just a moment. Tarver:
"You're welcome."

Monkey
Captain
CAF


From: "jtarver"
Subject: JOHN MAZOR - ALPA's SPIN MEISTER on usenet. Is he getting
paid by the word now?
Date: 1999/11/14
Message-ID: #1/1
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.disasters.aviation,alt.aviation .safety

I am coddled in the rec groups. A valuable asset as opposed to your
loony
klan.

John

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~phil...FAQ_tarver.htm

"monkey" wrote in message
om...


Here's a great one about Tarver - he claims he designed the F/A-18
simulator, and as a pilot on an F-18 squadron I challenged one of his
opinions about his knowledge of F/A-18 FCS.

And you were completely wrong while exposing yourself as either an
incompetent, or a liar. There is an entire group of frauds at ada you can
join and obsess to your heart's content, sock.