Radio altimeter fault triggered Turkish Airlines crash

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What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

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"Musicrab" wrote:

In the news everywhere
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/un...sh-airlines-cr
ash-evidenc.html

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I think pilots should have their own version of the doctors' "primum non
nocere": first, fly the plane!

Of course this is a preliminary result and could well be wrong, but even
so I think there's a good lesson in it for us: always keep your mind on
what's important, and never let yourself be distracted by trivial things
when your mind is needed elsewhere. Of course we all know this already,
but a reminder never hurts.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Mar 4, 5:37*am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

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On Mar 4, 5:37 am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news
everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

I write left handed but I throw a baseball, bowl, shoot a basketball etc.
like a righty so which altimeter would I look at?

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On Mar 4, 5:37 am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news
everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish
-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

I write left handed but I throw a baseball, bowl, shoot a basketball etc.
like a righty so which altimeter would I look at?

If you find out, let me know too.

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:19:55 -0800, Steve Hix wrote:

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On Mar 4, 5:37 am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news
everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish
-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

I write left handed but I throw a baseball, bowl, shoot a basketball etc.
like a righty so which altimeter would I look at?

If you find out, let me know too.

The one you're not using to beat your meat will work.
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On Mar 4, 5:37 am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news
everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left
and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

I write left handed but I throw a baseball, bowl, shoot a basketball etc.
like a righty so which altimeter would I look at?

Duh, huh,,, either!

Musicrab writes:

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

Turkish Airlines has the worst safety record of all airlines in Europe and the
U.S. combined, in terms of flights with fatalities over total flights. And it
trails by quite a margin.

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Musicrab writes:

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

A bold and brazen statement, betraying unfortunately vast ignorance.
What, precisely, does the 737-800 manual say about automated apporaches and
about fate?

Turkish Airlines has the worst safety record of all airlines in Europe and the
U.S. combined, in terms of flights with fatalities over total flights. And it
trails by quite a margin.

In statistical terms, can we clarify the bizarre statement "worst
record...Europe and US combined...?" How, in mathematical terms, do you propose
to "combine" them. What is the arithmetic significance of this statement, in
the extremely charitable hypothesis that such exists?

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Musicrab writes:

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

Do airlines have altimiters? Knowledgeble pilots recognize that such
instruments are parts of airplanes, but corporations do not require them, as
they remain at stable altitudes.

It would be interesting to review the NTSB's view on the role of "fate" in this
incident. One might imagine they would take a relativly dim view of this
contributor's accident analysis.