Thrown out of an FBO...

Well, I've got a truck and a chain... Just need to find a road with
Mohammed's name on it..

Earlier, you were merely advocating genocide. But now you've escalated to
posting an actual death threat. Are you aware that the latter is a serious
crime?

It's astonishing that some right wingers in this conversation have bemoaned
"liberal hatred", but cannot bring themselves to object when someone
repeatedly calls for the extermination of a billion Muslims, or threatens to
lynch some.

It's called "civility", Gary, and it's something the Left has lost long
ago.

If it makes you feel any better, I find Grumman's comments
counter-productive at best, disgusting at worst -- and I'm sure many
people feel the same. But I try not to blast people for speaking up
in this forum, unlike so many of our Left Wing brethren who seem to
revel in the opportunity to bash simply for the sake of bashing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In short, all the terrorists had to do was wait, and win.

What do you think would happen if, simultaneously at 3:52 pm, at one
hundred large airports, somebody dressed in arab garb flung off his
clothing and ran naked the wrong way through security shouting in
Arabic? No weapons, no threats, no bombs... It would be utterly trivial
to do.

Every passenger would bet rescreened, cellphones and watches would be
banned (because they could be used to coordinate such an "attack"), and
we'd come close to paralysis.

They have already won.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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Well, I've got a truck and a chain... Just need to find a road with
Mohammed's name on it..

Earlier, you were merely advocating genocide. But now you've escalated to
posting an actual death threat. Are you aware that the latter is a
serious
crime?

It's astonishing that some right wingers in this conversation have
bemoaned
"liberal hatred", but cannot bring themselves to object when someone
repeatedly calls for the extermination of a billion Muslims, or threatens
to
lynch some.

It's called "civility", Gary, and it's something the Left has lost long
ago.

No, Jay. Standing silently while someone urges the extermination of a
minority group may be called many things, but it is not called "civility".

If it makes you feel any better, I find Grumman's comments
counter-productive at best, disgusting at worst --

Well, better late than never.

--Gary

Maybe not. There are evolutionary processes going on around us all the
time. There are also evolutionary processes that we, as humans, have
done our best to counter. Poor eye sight, for example, has been pretty
well eliminated as a reason to die -- therefore, more and more humans
are being born that need glasses.

Evolution is a fairly long time frame process. Eyeglasses have been
available for only a handful of generations. This is not enough to make
a significant impact on the gene pool.

IMHO, homosexuality is probably more akin to poor eyesight than it is
to any evolutionary *advantage*.

What do you base this HO on?

Why, then, has this become such a problem for homosexuals?

For one thing, gay partners are not allowed certain visitation rights in
hospitals, as they are not family. This kind of irks them.

concentrated on equal rights, not equal labels.

But labels confer rights, or remove them. Thus, labels are important.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Why, then, has this become such a problem for homosexuals?

For one thing, gay partners are not allowed certain visitation rights in
hospitals, as they are not family. This kind of irks them.

Then that's a problem that needs to be addressed. Come up with a new
family term to describe their relationship (I kinda like "shariage"),
give them the rights of family members, and move on.

But labels confer rights, or remove them. Thus, labels are important.

Unfortunately, the label they're trying to usurp has already been
taken. Come up with a new one, and move on.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Matt Whiting wrote:

Crash Lander wrote:

"mike regish" wrote in message
. ..

Which is the exact kind of thinking that makes religion, all religion, a
truly dangerous thing.

mike

Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?

All of the wars that were based on economics and greed ... which is most
of them. Religion is often blamed, but seldom the root cause.

Matt

How about WW II

Then that's a problem that needs to be addressed. Come up with a new
family term to describe their relationship (I kinda like "shariage"),
give them the rights of family members, and move on.

That would have to be done hospital by hospital, and would require board
meetings, bylaws changes, and this very kind of acrimonious discussion
would occur in a hundred little fiefdoms. It would be stalled in
committee, half the hospitals won't do it, and meanwhile, many people's
loved ones would die alone. And that is just for this one issue. There
are many like that, including real estate purchase and rental, travel
arrangements, represntation, everything for which family members are
already treated differently.

But labels confer rights, or remove them. Thus, labels are important.
Unfortunately, the label they're trying to usurp has already been
taken. Come up with a new one, and move on.

It is the =fact= that is has "already been taken" that confers the
rights. The label is =already= used in contracts and law all over the
country. By allowing the use of this label, ssunions will be
=automatically= recognized as a family unit. This is not possible when
inventing a new label.

That's the whole point.

Now, I ask you... what are you so afraid of? What calamity would befall
you, or civilization, if we expanded the label "marriage" to include
ssunions? Would you and Mary get divorced? Would your children all of
a sudden "turn gay"? Would people start hugging each other instead of
rightously killing each other?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:
Maybe not. There are evolutionary processes going on around us all the
time. There are also evolutionary processes that we, as humans, have
done our best to counter. Poor eye sight, for example, has been pretty
well eliminated as a reason to die -- therefore, more and more humans
are being born that need glasses.

Evolution is a fairly long time frame process. Eyeglasses have been
available for only a handful of generations. This is not enough to make
a significant impact on the gene pool.

IMHO, homosexuality is probably more akin to poor eyesight than it is
to any evolutionary *advantage*.

What do you base this HO on?

Why, then, has this become such a problem for homosexuals?

For one thing, gay partners are not allowed certain visitation rights in
hospitals, as they are not family. This kind of irks them.

concentrated on equal rights, not equal labels.

But labels confer rights, or remove them. Thus, labels are important.

Jose
Actually that can be entirely avoided by simply making your partner your
medical power of attorney. Yes, it more work then for married
heterosexual couples who only need to show ID to prove they should be
there but it's doable. By the way, the same problem occurs for hetro
couple who are not married. They lose visitation privileges as well.

Then that's a problem that needs to be addressed. Come up with a new
family term to describe their relationship (I kinda like "shariage"),
give them the rights of family members, and move on.

That would have to be done hospital by hospital, and would require board
meetings, bylaws changes, and this very kind of acrimonious discussion
would occur in a hundred little fiefdoms.

So do it at the federal level -- problem solved. All you have to do is
convince the government of the US that "shariage" is the same-sex
equivalent of "marriage", with all the same legal rights and
privileges.

While this would be an arduous task, no doubt, in the long run it has
more chance of success than convincing the people, courts and
legislatures that same-sex couples are "married". As the results of
our recent election proved -- an election in which the Left was
overwhelmingly supported, yet same sex marriage proposals were defeated
across the country -- that dog don't hunt.

Now, I ask you... what are you so afraid of? What calamity would befall
you, or civilization, if we expanded the label "marriage" to include
ssunions? Would you and Mary get divorced? Would your children all of
a sudden "turn gay"? Would people start hugging each other instead of
rightously killing each other?

It would have no impact on me at all, any more than changing the word
for "breakfast" to "hotel" would.

One thing you apparently haven't realized: I'm not saying that I
personally care about this issue -- I'm saying it doesn't make any
sense.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Actually that can be entirely avoided by simply making your partner your medical power of attorney.

In some cases yes, in others no. Each hospital or clinic is different.

By the way, the same problem occurs for hetro couple who are not married.

But hetero couples can get married and become a family. That's part of
what it's all about. Marriage is the declaration and committment made
by the couple, in front of the world, that they are now a family. A
couple who has that ability, but chooses not to (the aforementioned
hetero couple) is not a family. I have no problem with that. But a
couple who does =not= have that ability can't choose.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.