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Even drowsiness to the extent of incapacitation?
I'm drowsy to incapacitation every night. That doesn't make me sick every night. Jose -- There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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ARTCCs have been upgraded as well. (Acronym?)
Air Route Traffic Control Centers Jose -- There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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I'll admit I don't know what the "standard" shifts are. Nor, the turnaround between shifts. But I would assume they aren't working doctors hours, or anything similar. Please enlighten me as to typical work shifts. We bid days off every six months by seniority. My facility has no turnover because it's a great place to work and live, therefore nobody leaves and we need no people. We are going to start getting into some retirements in the next few years. For that reason we are getting three new people. First one this month then the other two in the spring. The days off haven't changed for anybody in the last 5 or 6 years. We have permanent days off, none of that rotating crap that are the legion of poorly run facilities. In my case I have Saturdays and Sundays off. Start work Monday at 3 pm, Tuesday at 1 pm, Wednesday at 7 am, Thursday at 6 am and the mid shift Thursday night at 10 pm. Lately I have been swapping my Thursday 6am for the Wednesday night mid with one of the guys on those days off that don't ever want a mid, thereby working two mids a week. I'll do that until mid October as I prefer to be home days. Back when I worked at GFK we had the rotating days off until we changed it to permanent days off. If they are drowsy on shift, maybe they shouldn't be on shift. Unavoidable. I am never 100% for the entirety of any midshift. Not possible. The FAA knows this is a necessary part of working a 24 faciltiy. |
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:01:39 GMT, Jose
wrote: They sure didn't include people like me in that study. I do not wake quickly whether from a good night's sleep or a nap. Would you choose to take a nap? There is some self selection involved too. I can choose when not to sleep, but my body decides whether it is going to sleep of not. I'd have to be really tired to be able to take a nap on break. If I was that tired they might as well send me home any way. Jose Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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I'd have to be really tired to be able to take a nap on break.
This might not be true of others. Why not let them decide? Jose -- There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "bdl" wrote in message ups.com... FAA management is the authority. Of course. The question is why are they making an issue of it? They aren't. |
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"bdl" wrote in message ups.com... They aren't. You're misinformed. |
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In article .com,
"bdl" wrote: Do you work better in a tie? I work more professionally. So naturally your experience must extrapolate to everyone else in all other jobs... -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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Jose wrote: ARTCCs have been upgraded as well. (Acronym?) Air Route Traffic Control Centers Heh. I meant for the upgrades, not for ARTCC itself. I think I have that one down but there are numerous pieces/blocks of ARTCC modernization, and being government you need a lot of acronyms to handle that. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote I believe most facilities still work on a seven week rotation. Two evening shifts, followed by two day shifts, followed by two days off, then repeat. That's six days so your two days off advance by one day each week. It's juggled a bit when the two days off are on a weekend so that there's two natural weekends off in a row. That's the schedule for a facility that closes at night. At 24 hour facilities you'll get a day-mid. Come in at about six AM and then back that same day about 10 PM. I'm surprised that there are work schedules like that, still around. It seems like that would put a person in perpetual jet lag. That would put people in a state where fatigue would be unpreventable, I would think. No wonder that some think naps are needed. I would need them, I think. -- Jim in NC |
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