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Mike Marron wrote:
"mg" wrote: In what far fetched way could the USAF have prevented 9/11? A preemptive strike, perhaps? Recall the Israeli attack on the Osiraq nuclear powerplant near Baghdad back in 1981. Christ! am I ever glad that you aren't in any position of power Mr Marron. -- -Gord. |
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"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: A preemptive strike, perhaps? Recall the Israeli attack on the Osiraq nuclear powerplant near Baghdad back in 1981. Christ! am I ever glad that you aren't in any position of power Mr Marron. Spoken like the true Canuck wussy that you are. Whattsa' matter Gordo, jealous because when the doctors performed exploratory surgery in your lower groin area looking for testicles they couldn't find any? |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:30:45 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote: AFAIK, nobody knew what was about to happen back on Sept. 11, 2001, but that's the whole point! “The Man Who Knew” http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../synopsis.html |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:30:45 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote: Clark stillnospam@me wrote: Mike Marron wrote: So, the USAF is exempt from any blame whatsoever for the 9/11 attacks? Have you seen the Brett Farve commercial about telling people what they should have done? Uhh, no. Do you see any similarity between your comments and "monday morning quarterbacking"? Again, my answer is "no." Answering a question with a question is a transparent method of dodging the original question. Furthur, this has nothing to do with any "monday morning quarterbacking." Even after the event more than two years later, what happened on 9/11 is still to this day almost impossible to comprehend. AFAIK, nobody knew what was about to happen back on Sept. 11, 2001, but that's the whole point! In my ever-so-humble opinion, ALL branches of the military INCLUDING our beloved USAF and also our so-called "intelligence" communities quite frankly dropped the ball BIG time, just like I said. Granted, the stunning victories by our military and intelligence communities in Afghanistan and also in the more recent "Shock & Awe" campaign in Iraq is fantastic news, but this good news will forever be tempered by the thousands who died during the WTC and Pentagon attacks on 9/11. I tend to ask these questions a lot of you sorts, and get stunning silence in return, but we'll try again. How did the Air force "Drop the ball?". Specifically, how did it drop the ball. Are you stating that there should have been armed CAP around New York, with orders to shoot down airliners? Do you have any idea of just how many THOUSAND leads involving potential attacks on the U.S. move through the intelligence community? Seperating the dross from teh chaff is a full time job and it is not always successful. Also, can you explain why the USAF should have gotten involved ina federal crime? Pre-9/11 they had some peripheral involvement, but nothing like the direct linkage you seem to imagine. Yes, up until 9/11, hijackings went like this. Arabic/Japanese/White fellow stands up and shouts, "This plane is going to Havana, Senors!". The pilots smile and nod, and the stewardesses work to keep everyone calm. If some lunatic wants to charge the hijackers, they'll try to dissuade him. Why? Because before 9/11 you were a HELL of a lot more likely to survive if you cooperated. The hijackers generally had requrests, and wanted to make a political statement-- body count was not hte main objective. The reason-- the ONLY reason for the revolt on the last airliner was that the timeing was off just enough for the passengers to find out that this was NOT a typical hijacking. You'll note, the plane crashed-- if it had been a typical hijacking, we'd all be wondering why they did such a suicidal thing. Than there's the matter of timing-- the air force doesn't know there's going to be a hijacking, because if they did, the hijackers would have been seized at the airports. When the first plane hits, they *still* don't know there's a hijacking, because most everyone thought it was a crash. When the SECOND plane hit, they knew something was up, and quickly ordered every plane down. Now what? You're looking for potential enemy planes, but you CANNOT simply give a blanket shootdown order until you give the friendlies a chance to land. In any case, the USAF wasn't even involved in this until the planes were inthe air, so if any dropped the ball, it was the FBI/CIA...but there's one final point. Bad guys are smart. Bin Laden is a very Smart SOB, and he has people who are not afraid to die for him. He's not an idiot like Hussein, more's the pity. There is a desire in any nation, but I think it's especially prevalent in the U.S. to assume that any failure means "We screwed up." because then once you figure out what YOU did wrong, the problems solved. In reality, Al Qaeda located a blind spot, and exploited it. They were smart, and scored one on us. It's much more comforting to say that they were idiots who only succeeded through dint of OUR blindness than to admit that yes, we are fighting some fairly bright and scary people. |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:23:07 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote: Mark and Kim Smith wrote: [snip] Question: Your are in charge of the air force in 2001. What would you have done to prevent 9/11 from occuring? Pre-9/11 Intelligence or *today's* beefed up Intelligence and Homeland Security? Obviously Pre-9/11, Mike. If we could enlist prophets into the Air Force, avoiding 9/11's wouldn't be very diffucult. Unfortunately, intelligence people do not have such an advantage. |
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message ... (OXMORON1) wrote: [snip] The whole intelligence community was screwed up and the only good that I see from 9/11 is posibly the system will be cleaned up in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the USAF an integral part of the intelligence community? If yes, then doesn't the USAF share the blame for 9/11? The USAF intel community has very little, if any, resources directed at domestic terrorism. You see, the USAF generally concerns itself with the activities of foreign military forces. Its mostly the FBIs job to hunt down terrorists in the USA. Get a clue before you run around blaming everyone in sight. |
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