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Old July 14th 08, 03:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Buster Hymen wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
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Marty Shapiro writes:

Do all F-16's now have VHF radios? At a Wings safety seminar sevaral
years ago I was told that most only have UHF and thus can't directly
communicate with GA aircraft.

If they cannot communicate with GA aircraft, that's all the more
reason not to harass GA aircraft.


Your a ****ing moron


While I agree that Anthony is a ****ing moron. He is right in this case.
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Old July 14th 08, 03:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Viperdoc wrote:
They did not fly formation with the civilian pilot- it is not the normal
intercept procedure, and the differences in airspeed make it difficult.

The usual intent is to get the other pilot's attention, while the wingman
provides support and maintains visual contact. The civilian pilot has an
equal responsibility to see and avoid, and probably should be even more
attentive in an active MOA.



I'm hardly a military basher but in this case the civilian pilot did try
to see an avoid and that is what caused the problem. He was listening to
his TCAS and doing what it said. The F16 pilot should have realized this
when the civilian started maneuvering and broken off the intercept.

It seems the USAF agrees with this and hence are spanking the F16 pilot
and changing training methods.
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Old July 14th 08, 04:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Viperdoc wrote:
The pilot may well have made a bad decision- however, it is highly unlikely
that they were flying in formation with the civilian plane. As far as I
know, both pilots have an equal responsibility for see and avoid.




At first I thought this was all a case of a civilian pilot overreacting.
After listening to the audio and watching the radar video I've come to
the decsicion and has the USAF that the F-16 pilot screwed up.

To say a civilian pilot that is intercepted from the rear by a radar
carrying F-16 has the same see and avoid responsibility is absurd.
Though in this case the civilian did try to avoid (via TCAS) and F-16
wouldn't let it.
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Old July 14th 08, 04:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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John Smith wrote:
Let's all remember that the first guy that got bounced kept his mouth
shut until the second one, a lawyer, complained and said that he wanted
to file a complaint. Only then did the first pilot meekly chimed in that
he would also like to file a complaint.

If it wasn't for the people in the military, we wouldn't even have the
privilage or right to even be in the sky.

As long as there isn't a mid-air, fly the airplane and shut up.


Bull ****. Then I suppose you won't mind if the Army sends a squad out
to do target practice with M-16s in your back yard as long as they don't
hit your house.
 




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