Cirrus and Lancair Make Bonanza Obsolete?

In my Turbo Arrow III, I get 150-155 KTAS at 12 gph, on a 200 HP engine.
This is at 65% power setting above 8000 ft
I can fly non-stop 700 NM and still have IFR reserves left.
I can go leaner, I just like running ROP

So 30 kts less, with an engine that has 110 less HP and 5 gph less isnt bad at
all.

If the SR22 had its design with retract gear, it would be much faster. The
comanche 400 will do 190 kts, carry ALOT more then the SR22 and is about
200,000$ less then the SR22


Flynn wrote:All in all the SR22 is one heck of a traveling machine. I
consistently see

181-184KTAS on 18gph running ROP. AND my wife will now fly with me so
that's another big plus.

"Jeff" wrote:
If the SR22 had its design with retract gear, it would be much faster.

Probably not. In fact, I believe I recall one of the Klapmeier's saying
the design is already so slick, they figured retracting the gear would
add only about 5 knots to cruise TAS.


The
comanche 400

Oh, puh-leeeze!
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Do you know anything about the comanche 400's ?

this comanche 400 achieved a TAS of 275 mph at 19,000 ft
http://www.comanchepilot.com/Tech_Ar..._comanche.html



Dan Luke wrote:

.

The
comanche 400

Oh, puh-leeeze!
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Potential Bo Buyer" wrote in message
om...

Obsolete? Must be that planned obsolescence at Beech.

In the end, it's up to the individual buyer. For $300 you can get a new
Cirrus....comparables are what? T182's I guess? Diamond Twins? Not a new
Bo' and certainly not a Baron. The Beech's are terrific aircraft. My
uncles went back and forth between them as I was growing up so they're part
of my flying memories. The 182's are terrific machines as well.

I'm guessing that most (all?) talking down the SR22 haven't even flown one.
Try them all, do your homework and get the one that strikes your fancy.
BTW, Cirrus is selling around 50-60 planes per month. 16 delivered week
before last. Something's clearly going right there.

Have fun!

"Potential Bo Buyer" wrote in message
om...
Why is the market for late model V35B's and F33A's so flat. The
economic climate (real and perceived) and 90's run-up have a lot to do
with it, I'll acknowledge that. But there seems to be something else
at work in this market.

Are the Lancair Columbia and Cirrus SR22 substitute products for the
4-place Bonanzas? (For the sake of this post V35B's and F33A's are 4
place not 6 place airplanes. Keep it real.) To be honest, if I had
300K + in my budget I would probably evaluate the Columbia and SR22
first before considering a Bonanza. After all, they're faster with
fixed gear, won't corrode, have modern avionics and are 30 years newer
than the Bonanzas I'm considering.

It looks as if the once assumed appreciation rate for Bonanzas is in
for a big change. Agree? Thoughts?

"Flynn" wrote in message
news:OTWsb.143359$275.434437@attbi_s53...
In the end, it's up to the individual buyer. For $300 you can get a new
Cirrus....comparables are what? T182's I guess?

Are you serious? $300K for a T182?

Diamond Twins? Not a new
Bo' and certainly not a Baron.

Which is why the suject line is stupid ; contrasting a new design with
designs that are 56 and 40 years old.

The Beech's are terrific aircraft. My
uncles went back and forth between them as I was growing up so they're
part
of my flying memories.

Yes, they are..what they are is a KNOWN QUANTITY that has well known
characteristics/ qualities, something the new machines lack.

Us older folks call it EXPERIENCE.

The 182's are terrific machines as well.

Ahhh....kinda, but a 182 is a Chevy, a F33A OTOH, is a Caddy (okay..an
Acura, in my case).

I'm guessing that most (all?) talking down the SR22 haven't even flown
one.
Try them all, do your homework and get the one that strikes your fancy.
BTW, Cirrus is selling around 50-60 planes per month. 16 delivered week
before last. Something's clearly going right there.

Fads?

Here, try this: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

Man it's a good thing you're around Tom since every once else is a fool....

"Tom S." wrote in message
...

I'm guessing that most (all?) talking down the SR22 haven't even flown
one.
Try them all, do your homework and get the one that strikes your fancy.
BTW, Cirrus is selling around 50-60 planes per month. 16 delivered week
before last. Something's clearly going right there.

Fads?

Here, try this: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

"Flynn" wrote in message
news:i36tb.148992$275.451795@attbi_s53...
Man it's a good thing you're around Tom since every once else is a
fool....

Well, just yourself in the fool categoy. You and Borchardt.

Go to hell, ****.


"Tom S." wrote in message
...

I'm guessing that most (all?) talking down the SR22 haven't even flown
one.
Try them all, do your homework and get the one that strikes your
fancy.
BTW, Cirrus is selling around 50-60 planes per month. 16 delivered
week
before last. Something's clearly going right there.

Fads?

Here, try this: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

Tom,

Go to hell, ****.


Are we out of arguments yet? Jeeze!

Oh, and note the spelling of my name, if you please.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Tom S." wrote in message ...

Well, just yourself in the fool categoy. You and Borchardt.

Go to hell, ****.

Tom,

It speaks volumes to me when a man involved in a dispute
can find no better retort than to call his opponent a slang
term for a woman's vagina.

It speaks even louder volumes when the opponent is a man.
You are explaining most clearly that you consider female
attributes derogatory, even more so female reproductive
attributes.

Excuse me: just how did you come into the world if not from
a mother, with her vagina (aka "****") in all likelihood
involved at some point in the process?

Unless we are to assume you emerged by bacterial fission
and were raised in a fermentation vessel, kindly show some
respect for womankind in your choice of insults.

If you can not adopt a higher level of discourse, I for one
recommend you to perambulate over to rec.aviation.homebuilt
where you will find true kindred souls -- although even there,
for many, this particular choice of language is considered to
be going too far.

Thank you.
Sydney