Pilot, possibly intoxicated, flies around Philly for 3 hours

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

I call still lug my 51 year old ass over one of 'em.
Cowboy boots help. The toes fit well in chainlink.

You guys need the Shrimpette perspective. While I can
haul my a** over a 6 ft fence, it's a very rare chain link
fence of any length which doesn't have several areas where
it's quite easy, and usually less noticable, to slip *under*
the fence. And of course, 2 minutes with a bolt cutter can
assure this. Fencing can be done to prevent both, but it's
a significant added expense.

And even so, nothing stops someone from gaining access to
a secured field quite deliberately.

Cheers,
Sydney

Not to add fuel to the fire, but please do not think that the locks on
planes offer any security at all!!! Most of the locks found on airplane
doors and ignitions are nothing more than 4 or 5 wafer cam locks that can be
picked or forced in under 10 seconds. Most can have a key impressioned for
them in less than five minutes. And unless you have a Medeco or equivilent
type high security lock on your hanger, the cheap locks I've seen on hanger
doors are not keeping anyone out.

"Snowbird" wrote in message
Well, I don't think my airport has no security. My plane is in a
locked hangar. My plane is locked. It requires a key to start.

"lardsoup" wrote in message ...
Not to add fuel to the fire, but please do not think that the locks on
planes offer any security at all!!! Most of the locks found on airplane
doors and ignitions are nothing more than 4 or 5 wafer cam locks that can be
picked or forced in under 10 seconds. Most can have a key impressioned for
them in less than five minutes. And unless you have a Medeco or equivilent
type high security lock on your hanger, the cheap locks I've seen on hanger
doors are not keeping anyone out.

Dear Lard,

Everything is relative. I appreciate your comments on the general
quality of airplane and hangar locks, but the fact is while they
don't keep out determined people who've made a plan, they *do*
keep out casual, opportunistic people. At least, I've certainly
watched frustrated pilots who locked their keys inside the plane
or who left their keys at home, be quite unable to access their
own plane. I grant your point that it's not high security, but
it's not the same as leaving your car open with the keys in the
ignition either.

OTOH, anyone who thinks that a 6 ft fence and security gating
is going to keep out a determined person with a plan for evil,
think again. Under the fence; over the fence; through the fence
with bolt cutters; through the gate with proper credentials.

Cheers,
Sydney

"Snowbird" wrote in message
om...
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| OTOH, anyone who thinks that a 6 ft fence and security gating
| is going to keep out a determined person with a plan for evil,
| think again. Under the fence; over the fence; through the fence
| with bolt cutters; through the gate with proper credentials.
|

The fences around here don't seem to slow the deer down much.

C J Campbell wrote:

The fences around here don't seem to slow the deer down much.

You'd need at least an 8' fence to stop a full-grown whitetail, and even that
won't slow down a muley.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

Well, my point was that the locks on planes are so cheap that they will not
keep out the casual crook or vandal. Many people live by the phase that
locks only keep out honest people. Well that's just not true. And I am
only pointing this out so that any airplane owner that wants to protect
their property is aware of the level of security they are leaving their
plane in when they leave the airport. Those throttle and prop locks from
Sportys ARE a good idea. Better yet, change the door locks to a high
security cam lock. Oh, and don't forget your keys. ;-)

"Snowbird" wrote in message
Everything is relative. I appreciate your comments on the general
quality of airplane and hangar locks, but the fact is while they
don't keep out determined people who've made a plan, they *do*
keep out casual, opportunistic people.

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
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| In article om,
| "John T" wrote:
|
| "Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
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|
| The bottom line is that if the small
| fields don't get a grip on REASONABLE security, one of these days
| something bad is going to hb_men and there is going to be UNREASONABLE
| over-reaction.
|
| Can you define "reasonable security" for us?
|
| Reasonable security would include airport ID badges for those who have a
| reason to be on the field, perimeter fencing that is tall enough and
| sealed well enough to be a deterrent, gates that work, and some type of
| continuous airport surveillence. Those are common sense things that, in
| most cases, are SUPPOSED to be done anyway at most of these airports,
| and actually serve to protect the aircraft owners based at the field
| from theft and vandalism (it's happened around here).

It would be interesting to see how this would improve the security at, say,
Ocotillo Wells in California. This is a dirt strip out in the middle of
nowhere built on a dry lake bed. There are no buildings, no fuel, etc. There
is a diner across the highway, but that is the only building for several
miles.

Or what about Copalis Beach in Washington State? This is a state operated
airport located on a stretch of beach. The 'runway' is just the damp sand
near the water's edge and it is under water at high tide. For me, security
at that airport would be arresting the lady who throws rocks at airplanes
that land on 'her' beach. There is no fuel there, no buildings, not even any
road access.

Or the airports scattered around the Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho? The
firefighting emergency strips in Montana, Wyoming, or other western states?

What about Apex Air Park near Silverdale, WA? They have something like a
gazillion Marines guarding the place. But no one would argue that that
airport is any more secure than Sequim Airport.

At Tacoma Narrows we no longer let the neighbors walk their dogs around the
approach lights any more, but that hasn't kept local kids from vandalizing
the lights. If anything, the effect of the policy was to eliminate witnesses
and make it easier for the vandals.

lardsoup wrote:

Better yet, change the door locks to a high
security cam lock.

If your fuselage is fabric-covered tubing, new door locks won't help.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

True. In that case just have Paul keep an eye on it for you.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
If your fuselage is fabric-covered tubing, new door locks won't help.

All of this is an illusion... No amount of badges, fences, lights, signs,
whatever, will stop someone who is willing to die for his 'cause'...
Only slaves, and cattle being fattened for the slaughter, have the security
of knowing their fate...To have a free society you must accept that freedom
contains risks, and from time to time the tree of liberty will be watered
with the blood of it's patriots... I am willing to take the risks of freedom
in order to be free... I am not willing to watch my country become a Gulag,
so that the neurotic who are willing to sell my freedoms in order to assuage
their insecurity, may feel safe...
denny

"C J Campbell"